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Pinnacle
The Pinnacle views herself as the ideal netzien. In battle, her arsenol is packed with logical fallicies, and she's particularly fond of personal attacks. When her logical fallicies are pointed out, Pinnacle claims the attacker has committed those same fallicies, regardless of whether her statment is factual or if she even knows what fallicies are. As for attacking others, insults are hardly rare in combat. However, Pinnacle uses a particular brand of personal attacks that are her trademark.

If opponents are older than Pinnacle, she calls them losers for still hanging around online at their age. If they're younger, she calls them childish immature children who aren't mature enough to not act like children. Every difference from her in an opponent is an obvious defect or lie that must be pointed out. She may also fall back on claims her attacker needs to get out more, is lying about getting out more, should get a life, isn't getting laid, or a host of other assumptions. After all, the only person online the exact right amount of time is Pinnacle.

Despite her fierce attacks, Pinnacle fights as superficially as she judges others. As a result, her stance is always desperately undefensible. Her favorite mode of operating is to strike another Warrior in the face, then claim the attacker has no business being angry. Early in battle she will use up her arsenol. Later in battle, Pinnacle will often claim her opponent's views are unwelcome and he should leave. While she may get away with hit-and-run challenges for some time, Pinnacle's luck will eventually run out. The path to greatness for many a warrior is stained with the blood of Pinnacles who chose their enemies poorly.

Unfortunately, Pinnacle is difficult to recognise. She seems nice and level-headed, her enemies merely hateful and irrational people. Until a Warrior opposes her on even the smallest of issues, he may mistake her for a friend.

WARNING: Apparently despite having a great life and many better things to do, Pinnacle is obsessed with online self-promotion. When backed into a corner, she is quick run to Admin or Nanny and claim a well-deserved beating she got was TOS violation. She may even fabricate charges entirely. Pinnacle most often has a cluster loyal friends, trying to force their clique into Royals positions. This group always includes another Pinnacle and may include Cyber Sisters and stronger (though misguided) warriors.
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I've seen this type of warrior. Sometimes its hard to fit them into the existing catagories. I've generally been content call them a variant of Ideologue. They often believe they are some sort of people expert. Those I've come across are shallow, superficial, back stabbing warriors on some ego building trip. You can almost hear "I am perfect" or "I'm a well -adjusted... you are not". I usually dismiss them as insecure, as many insecure people compensate by getting those around them to believe in the same ideals.
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Shut up freak.

Lurker Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 6

I know the perfect example of this Warrior. Smile

Good profile.

I've encountered one like this in the past, except it was male. We sort of respected each other for a time, although we disagreed on a few crucial issues, but later on I disliked him for being condescending to and flaming people less articulate who disagreed with him. Oddly enough, he percieved me to do exactly the same thing. Battling against him was a bizarre stale mate.

I wouldn't consider this a variant of Ideologue because the Pinnacle doesn't strongly believe anything he or she says. They simply pick whatever is different from them in an enemy and find a way to suggest it is bad. They will ignore the exact same "problem" they pointed out in their friends.

As for gender... I interpretted most of the Flame Warriors as being either gender (though only one used in the description for clarity). I've met Pinnacles both male and female, but most of the mine were female. Atleast they claimed to be. Very Happy

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Understanding the warrior described correctly can be hard.... I'm bound to read what you wrote and put that against a bunch of people who sound just like your description.

Ok, so this warior is a bit fickle when it comes to the Truth (scratch the variant of Ideologue, which is still a separate, not yet described warrior).

Sounds like the warrior is more concerned with or focused on, the social pecking order, within the forum. To get on top of the heap, you've got to stomp on the backs of a few people, in the journey upwards.. [OK the label makes sense now]

I don't know if you could call them, a wannabe Ego or wannabe Royal.

Taunting someone with their shortcomings (like a Jerk would), is what a number of members do, that I've run into, that could fit your description. (However you can't really call them Jerks.). Don't know if the warrior/s you are describing, does/do the same?

Like I said. there are a number of forum dwellers, as in real life, that are hard to classify the majority of their behavior, into a catagory.

Before Mike's Guide: (The type of warrior I think you are describing) I would have probably thought of them as a gossip monger. They are not consistent with the truth. The Truth depends on wheather or not they are in favor of that member. They played the role of a "Social Cop". They are generally shallow and love meetings and being part of special committees.
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I am not redefining what a Pinnacle is when I explain the importance of truth. I am clarifying the difference between an Ideolgue and a Pinnacle in regards to judging others.

A Pinnacle, simply put, is an idiot who tries to achieve status online they cannot achieve offline. They are particularly obsessed with controlling the mound they build and declare themselves rulers of. I would call them wannabe Royals because that is what they want to be: unquestioned and respected. They simply don't want to deal with the waiting period.

I believe my description was dead-on. However, most of the Warriors are easier to understand if you've encountered one. I took me a while to figure out the meaning of Howlers, because I've never personally run into them.
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Big deal, this sucks.

I'm not disagreeing with your description, it is only that I interpret it in a diferent way - well was.

Ah yes, I should have been a bit more clear on "the Truth", I was rehashing what you said earlier and used "Truth" in the context of was not really beleiiving in what they were saying - ie fictional, which is usually true of some personal opinion they are offering. In this case, the truth has little to do with social, spiritual ideals or intellectual opinion.

Whats always at work in descibing someone is transference.

http://www.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/transference.html

When you first outlined it, I though of someone who did those things, but from a deluded perspective. They probably would not make a habbit of fibbing, and would offer what they thought was an honest opinion. They offer an opinion, because they beleive they are well -adjusted, and in a good position to point out certin things. Seen a few online, they form a little clique, and seem to have ambitions of setting themselves up as someone important. Pretty much follows your description to a tee, but it's not the warrior type you were referring to.

Now that I see what you mean, its a different 'warrior. Yes I know one in particular. They can be real snake in the grass. Still fits your first description. They like to paint something, (ie the Truth), about another member, as being much worse than it is, when they are in the staging process and for the duration of the attack. Their attacks are soley for the purpose to discredit the other member. When it has come time to take down a "friend", and their first smart remark is slapped down and clearly would lose if they continued, I've heard them say things like "just kidding" or "only joking hehe". Often called a little lying b..ch.
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Yeah. I think we were thinking of two different types with similar attack styles. Pinnacles are fairly loyal to people they view as being on their side. They have to be, since their politics are kind of like a pyramid scheme, but with people. What I think you're talking about are those bottomfeeders who "are open about their opinion" and "just being honest". I don't think anyone's written up a warrior for that yet... I'll put something up.

In honor of our mutual confusion, I'm naming her The Truth. Twisted Evil

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http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99

I've added The Truth. I can't believe I forgot her. I loathe those people more than Pinnacles. Thanks for the feedback, FS.
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