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Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:14 pm
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Blowhard
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http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news-politics/uhc-in-america-t18790.html
While the poster who set off this split, Seth, who's moves resemble the Artful Dodger meets Matrix is somewhat impressive, it is the sheer volume of the Swarm that made this a rare treat, at least for me. Twelve pages and still going strong. 
But who can blame an entire site for going after someone who spews this rhetoric:
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Power and control. The Progressive agenda is to impose the Administrative State, wherein the proletariat is ruled by the Progressive elite, for their own good, on the premise that the proletariat is just too stupid and ignorant to know what's good for it, so it must be ruled by those who know better. The Administrative State is a Progressive agenda that changes the form of government to eliminate democratic processes in lawmaking and which vests all lawmaking and regulatory power in the Administration, which is to be comprise of "scientific experts" in the various fields, who will wield nearly plenary power to regulate every human activity as they, in their elite intelligence, deem necessary.
Under Wilson's Progressive plan, the Administration is run by an all-powerful chief executive, the President, who has god-like powers of knowledge and observation and is therefore carefully attuned to the "unified will" of the people. Congress, in this model, becomes more like Parliament (which Wilson admired as much as he despised the constraints of the Constitution and Congress). His scheme makes Congress nothing more than an elected debating club that would discuss broad matters of public policy and interest, but which would only "advise" the Chief Executive, who would render judgment on those recommendations and then do exactly whatever he wants to do, using his administrative bureaucrat "experts" to create and enforce the actual regulations.
In other words, Progressivism is nothing more or less than a "benevolent" dictatorship in which the people will eventually have no say whatsoever, since the Administrative State claims the power to overrule or disregard any provision of the Constitution or prior law that in any way constrains its ability to do what it deems best.
It's State Socialism (Communism) without the state ownership of everything. Business is still privately owned, but in typical fascistic style, Progressivism only permits titular ownership, while actual constructive control of virtually every aspect of business and the economy is vested in the Administrative State. "Private business" is private only in name.
We can see the beginnings of this regulatory structure in the Obamacare bill. That, in fact, is WHY it was rammed through. Not to provide medical care to anyone, but rather to install part of the framework of tyranny that will ultimately control at least one-sixth of the entire American economy and place it under the control of people like Cass Sunstein, the most dangerous man in America.
Like Hitler's fascist Nazi regime, Progressivism (which Goebbles LEARNED from Wilson and other US Progressives) is Communism Lite, but the end result is exactly the same: Tyranny, despotism, genocide, destruction, misery, privation, starvation and death.
What someone in this forum may want is irrelevant, because it is the core agenda of Progressivism that is the threat. People who claim to be Progressives can be as easily deluded and propagandized by flowery rhetoric as anyone, they are just more credulous and uncritical of the end result of what sounds like a good idea at the time.
I would not presume to tell you what other Members want, they can speak for themselves. |
According to him, Europe is in shambles and Australian healthcare is a disaster.
Nothing is as good as the good ol' USA, except when it is being run by fuckingcommiefascists.
It is one the most entertaining threads that I have read in a long time.
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:25 pm
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Thread Slayer
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| Oh my God, I think I know who this guy is! If he's who I think he is, he was on the 411mania forums, and everyone fucking *hated* him. He pretty much trolled the Political and Current Events section, and all he needed to do was write one sentence, and people just swarmed all over him, he was that hated. |
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:18 pm
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Verbal Juggernaut
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Yes, some things going on in our government are less than capitalist (*cough*OBAMACARE*cough*).
No, it's not nearly as bad as he says.
Exaggeration can work well... when you aren't totally stupid and obvious about it, like this guy. |
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:33 pm
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Thread Slayer
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Well, again, if this guy is who I think he is, his troll strategy is basically to take the exact opposite opinion of people on the forum:
if everyone was pro life, he'd be pro choice
if everyone was Kirk, he was Piccard
if everyone was pro-US, he'd be anti-US.
And before you say "Well, that's just his opinion, doesn't mean he was trolling", at the few forums he posted on (when threads from them were linked) he pretty much would flip it around....he'd be pro life if the majority of people on another forum would be pro choice... |
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:00 pm
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Blowhard
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| Kramer wrote: |
Well, again, if this guy is who I think he is, his troll strategy is basically to take the exact opposite opinion of people on the forum:
if everyone was pro life, he'd be pro choice
if everyone was Kirk, he was Piccard
if everyone was pro-US, he'd be anti-US.
And before you say "Well, that's just his opinion, doesn't mean he was trolling", at the few forums he posted on (when threads from them were linked) he pretty much would flip it around....he'd be pro life if the majority of people on another forum would be pro choice... |
Word on the street is, he has been at it for five years (he came from the RDF site).
Well, he has been suspended for a month, so that is that. |
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:10 pm
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| Yeah, he was suspended from the 411mania forums about 90 times for his actions, but he kept on going at it until he became a Target and was getting harassed by everyone. |
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