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Since the current idiot spammed up my other topic, and topics are cheap, here's a shiny new one.

I was informed yesterday about how bad it actually was, but of course the media can't report what they don't know, however even the pro nuclear physicist know what it means when you detect cesium137 outside a reactor.

Which they did after the first explosion. Now the bad news is so bad that it can't be downplayed much longer. Though I fully expect the talking heads to act all surprised when things are finally revealed.

Good new for Russia/Soviet Union. You no longer will be thought of as the country that had the worst fucking nuclear disaster ever.

Bad news for Japan. And anyone downwind. You wish it had just been Godzilla that showed up.
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This horrific disaster, the earthquakes, the tsunamis, the unbelievable loss of life, property and all sense of security, for millions of people, that is simply horror. The mind numbing sort, where it's impossible to convey, no matter how much video and reporters interviewing survivors we see.

But six reactors, and a shitload more 'spent fuel rods' in cooling pools, which are all stored on top of the reactor buildings, when that clusterfuck starts exploding, burning, and now confirmed to have a core breach, that is a worldwide disaster, that most people can understand.

Because when 500 tons of highly radioactive material starts burning and exploding, and you have six reactors, and a shitload of old fuel, all stored in one location, you have a disaster that can't be covered up.

When you hear 'the government' advising people within 50 miles of the reactors to 'stay indoors', in the wake of a disaster that destroyed or damaged most homes in the area, well hello motherfuckers, welcome to hell. Stay indoors? Are you fucking kidding me?

When the 7th fleet moves away, because they detected 'small amounts of radiation', and nobody on TV is carrying a Geiger counter, much less attempting to measure radiation around the area, it isn't that hard to read between the lies.

It's unfortunate that things keep blowing the hell up, and fires are burning, but the real mindfuck is that not a single media outlet has any guts left.

Well, it wasn't quite random, but it certainly was an outburst.

Calm down, all the above is simply my opinion, and I'm sure it's all wrong. No reason for concern. Go back to your normal activities, and remember, nuclear power is safe.
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Yes, that's what was so funny in the media here. Someone (Rudd) was somewhat hot that there wasn't enough data being released, and the media decided to pick on him for asking. They then went ominously quiet when things started to go bang.

Yes, the Aircraft Carrier was dusted in a film of Cesium and Iodine about 40 miles away, and so has moved out further.

I didn't know about the fuel being stored in the same building. That much!!!!!

That's just crazy unreal.
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You can confirm all the following by checking online, like here

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/15/japan.nuclear.reactors/?hpt=T1

Russia has reported elevated radiation levels and is preparing to evacuate its citizens from Russia’s Sakhalin island and the Southern Kuril island group. France has advised all French citizens to leave Japan.

Radiation levels in Tokyo are rising, currently 23 times normal, the 7th fleet has left the area, and nobody is showing a live feed of the nuclear plant any longer.

The spent fuel rods stored on top of at least one reactor have burned, and one core breach is confirmed. But officials are reassuring everyone by explaining how much more dangerous coal power plants are. Panic has been reported, but people are stupid.

The Japanese spokesman explained that 11930 microsieverts isn't that dangerous. "It is no immediate danger".

US Naval bases in Japan are reporting rising radiation levels, and advising all personnel to stay indoors.

I wish I was making all of this up.
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The complete lack of live footage of the power plant is fucking ominous. I found one still photo online, from very far away, showing a huge cloud coming from the reactor.

When data simply stops, and they start showing old clips of the plant, I suspect something really bad has happened.
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Gosh I got busy, I was replying ages ago.

This is going from bad to worse.

This is certainly highlighting that designing for 1 in 100 events just doesn't work.

The "storage" aspect was certainly stupid. I can hardly believe it.

The "nuclear' industry who make money directly or indirectly from nuclear infrastructure I suppose are doing their best to have their people play it down.
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Just great. More danger, more conflicting information. One article says there's no danger outside Japan, another says Russia is getting hit. Any chance of significant radiation heading this way?

Funny, they just addressed that on CNN, in which they revealed that all six reactors at the site are now in trouble.

They actually said that by the time the radioactive particles reach the US most of it will have decayed. This of course, avoided the question that people actually want to know about, which is:

"If the containment is breached, and plutonium and enriched uranium goes boom up into the air, is that a danger to me?"

They completely avoided the other questions of course, like:

What about the burning fuel rods? How much of a danger is that?

They answered the burning question at least, and said that the US does not keep all it's spent fuel rods laying about in pools of water, located on top of the running reactors.

Which technically is true.
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So what does the US do with all those thousands of tons of spent fuel rods?

Some of them go here

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=nuclear-waste-lethal-trash-or-renewable-energy-source

Oops.

Australian media is still mentioning the problem with the reactors, but ... it's being played down, they only know as much as what they've been told.

The seem more preoccupied with everything else.

They do say they've got the heat stabilized, so slowly it should come under control but they're still expecting an aftershock over 7 to run it's course.

If the core has been breached, it can't be good news.
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Well, this is interesting. Apparently, there's a map circulating on the interwebs showing that my part of Alaska, most of British Comumbia, and pretty much all of the lower 48 west of the Continental Divide will get hit with 7.5 gray in about 10 days, and the closer you are to Japan, the worse it gets.

The general consensus, however, is that the map is fearmongering garbage.

I hope that's true, because if the map is accurate, poor Kodiak is going to get hammered in six days, and Dutch Harbor will probably be a ghost town in three.

The good news is, all of this has reduced fossil fuel use and is helping to combat global warming. And bring down gas prices.
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That was dark humor. I'm still trying to get over the pro nukers who jumped on this since 311 and have been harping about how this doesn't mean nuclear power isn't safe.

Seriously, every fucking topic about it, pro nukers started a fight about nuclear power.

Oh, and I just coined 311. Spread the meme

Yeah, I went there.
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Yes, the money involved will dictate that it will go ahead anyhow.

The worry I've always felt is the what if ... what if a meteor, even a small one hit an installation hard enough to throw I can't spell fixed typo all of the reactor into the upper atmosphere, or worse still, an area where the have stored or stockpiled the waste.

There are no failsafes that would effectively accommodate that.
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Yeah, and every nuclear power plant has to be guarded like a military installation, due to the radioactive materials being a source of terrorist attacks.
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Not knowing, which means being unable to know what action to take, is way more scary than knowing what is happening. I mean, anybody who watches the news knows it's bad. They just don't know how bad, or what is actually happening. The lack of information, the complete lack of data, that is itself a scare tactic.

It's simple really. You have every nation on the planet, and probably 3 billion people watching for news. What is happening? Imagine if this was in the US? And after evacuating everyone from 400 square miles, in the aftermath of a huge flood, nobody can say what is in the smoke?

Or what is happening in ANY of six reactors, or a dozen pools of spent fuel rods? It's madness. Especially when you have 30 or 40 million people close enough that the danger is immediate to them?

What's more scary? That nobody knows? That we have no technology to measure or even film a nuclear disaster? Or that most people are smart enough to realize that of course we can measure and film what is going on, close up, with radiation detectors, and the authorities aren't saying anything?

I find the lack of data far more disturbing. Of course there actually is the possibility that between the entire country of Japan, and the US Navy, nobody has any way of remotely monitoring a nuclear disaster. No way of knowing anything. That is even worse IMNSHO. That is real scary.
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UPDATE: The map I mentioned is a hoax. The danger is far less than what the map is saying.

Well, that depends on where you live of course.
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They say it's getting worse... again. According to my local newspaper, they're thinking about placing more radiation monitors to make sure nothing's approaching a population center, but in typical government fashion they say the US still won't get hit with anything approaching risky levels of radiation.

Read the article here.

The saga of incompetence, disinformation, and general garbage continues.

The Japs have survived much worse situations.
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Now they're saying it'll be diluted before it gets here and not cause much of an issue. That's tenuous though, since Chinese pollution routinely hits California. We won't know until Saturday at the earliest.

It's the long term radioactive articles that will eventually enter the environment which is bothering me the most.

The problem of course is that no though was given to what would happen if ...

Obviously if they had thought about it, they could have buried large thick walled earthquake proof aluminum pipes below the base of the entire facility and especially the reactor area before construction, so that in such improbable times they could pump millions of gallons of cold liquid nitrogen through and circulate it from a pump and storage facility miles away,so at least of all any coolant might have a better chance to do its job.
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Fucking hell man, Godzilla would have been less damaging,
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Maybe that's because it was all caused by his stronger cousin, Cthulhu, rolling over in bed.

I should've never dragged his bed so far away from the pole of inaccessibility. Dean told me he tosses and turns like crazy when he's sleeping away from home, but I didn't listen. And now countless are dead and dying.

*downs a full bottle of lithium pills* Okay, I'm fine now.
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From the "who could have seen this coming" department.

Note: Five of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant,
which has been wracked since Friday's earthquake
with explosions and radiation leaks, are Mark 1s

You see guys, this is why cutting corners is very, very bad. Toshiba or whoever built those should be bankrupted and the crisis control/relief efforts should be funded with their money.

Even worse is that one of my friends insists that there was nothing they could have done to prevent this. "Well, it was good enough to take either an earthquake or tsunami, they never expected both would come at the same time, it's hard to plan safely, they never could have planned for this, blah blah blah..."

My museum idea becomes more and more appropriate every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Three

Whistleblowers who tried to get something done about these nuclear reactors. Starting in 1975

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/bild-751072-192707.html

Animation of fallout pattern

http://politisite.com/2011/03/17/nuclear-fallout-map-showing-750-rads-to-west-coast-united-states-is-a-fabrication/

Debunking the scare graphic

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=Fukushima+I&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Fukushima,+Fukushima+Prefecture,+Japan&ll=37.420641,141.035985&spn=0.015781,0.034676&t=f&z=15&ecpose=37.42064128,141.03598455,3179.5,0.402,0,0

Google Earth view of plants

http://www.bousai.ne.jp/vis/index.php

Japanese sight supposed to be radiation monitoring. The most important sites have no data, still the one north of Tokyo is alarming. Can't vouch for accuracy of site

http://www.tohoku-epco.co.jp/electr/genshi/onagawa/mp.html

Supposed to be radiation monitors at site. They don't change, so I am suspicious

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html

website set up by Japan to give out official updates
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