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The Cryptkeeper
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Now there's blue flashes "above" the plant. It's only one worker who's seen this and said something.
If this is the same radiation that's seen when it's under water, then it means there's a bucket load not covered with water and the blue is the radiation passing through steam or smoke above the plant. (ie any medium where the particles can travel faster then the light can in a dense medium. )
Edit, I should mention I was being a little funny, the blue flashes is obviously something to do with ionized excited air, discharging. Doesn't plutonium flash when it gets near it's critical mass or something.  Don't worry, now I am being funny, but not the ha ha way.
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| Theofanous says he encouraged the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to do further studies on whether reactors could fail disastrously days or even weeks after an initial accident. "I highlighted the importance of knowing what happens in the long-term," he says. "This doesn't exist as a problem just in Fukushima, but also all the plants here in the United States. But they didn't want to deal with it. Then I got disgusted and left the nuclear business," he says. |
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/nuclear-risk-expert-fukushimas-fuel-could-still-seep-out
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Theofanous says that from the current reports, it's impossible to say for sure. "We don't really know where the fuel is," he says. "My guess is that for the bigger 740 megawatt reactors that were badly damaged, reactors 2 and 3, the fuel is out into the drywell. If it is there, it keeps on eating through the concrete." |
The huge problem here, is the inability to get anyone close enough to know what is going on. That a camera/robot can't get close enough just makes it a huge clusterfuck. That the same thing can happen at any nuclear plant illustrates, in a truly terrible way, the real problem with nuclear power.
If things go seriously wrong, you now can't get close enough to do anything about it. Hell, you can't get close enough to know what is even happening.
It's about as fucked a situation as can be possible.
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Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:05 am
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The next gen plants are going to have to be built
Underground at a great depth for impact survival
That in the event of complete loss of computer and human control the process will bring itself to a safe state.
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Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:49 am
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Yeah, because a meltdown underground couldn't possibly reach any water, and blow the fuck up in a huge steam explosion.
That could never happen.
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Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:49 am
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Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:34 pm
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Someone get to work on cold fusion already!
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:21 pm
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Tokyo (CNN) -- Japan began dumping thousands of tons of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean on Monday, an emergency move officials said was needed to curtail a worse leak from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
In all, about 11,500 tons of radioactive water that has collected at the nuclear facility will be dumped into the sea, officials said Monday, as workers also try to deal with a crack that has been a conduit for contamination.
The radiation levels were highest in the water from reactor No. 6, the officials said.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/04/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T2
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:44 pm
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Anyhow, Yeah, it's funny, I was watching the Japan news from a few days ago (I don't understand the language but I do understand numbers) and the video clearly showed water leaving the storm drain system.
The eight inch crack near reactor 2 doesn't help either, but t is rather telling of how much thought was put in against overall cost of constructing the project.
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| The company calculates that a person who ate fish and seaweed from the nearby sea every day would have an additional radiation dose of 0.6 millisieverts per year, but did not say how long this would continue. The additiona dose compares to the 2.4 millisieverts people receive from natural sources each year. |
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Large_release_of_water_0404111.html
This kind of shit is just so common at this point. They know nothing at all about what sort of radioactivity is in fish or seaweed at this point.
They just pull that shit out of their ass and slap it up hoping people will just swallow it.
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:40 pm
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:55 pm
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The problem overlooked is the effect on the heath of the sea in the immediate areas.
No one yet can predict damage in dna to various organisms, increase in cancerous growths and how it could impact the outbreak of any background viruses which don't flourish in normally healthy populations.
Though I think radiation levels in seawater close to the plant are high enough to cause eventual cell failure / death in fish.
Queue the theme song Bobby.
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Don't worry, be happy
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A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation.
The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant's No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places. |
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_38.html
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So not only is it impossible to enter the buildings, it's also impossible to measure how bad the radiation is.
Well isn't that about as fucked as it gets?
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So not only is it impossible to enter the buildings, it's also impossible to measure how bad the radiation is.
Well isn't that about as fucked as it gets? |
Fucked would be the first responders to the Chernobyl explosion. Of the over 1500 volunteer and professional firefighters who responded, less then 20 are still alive. What got them? This is gonna blow your mind: A large part of it was inhaled graphite. Which isn't radioactive in and of itself, but is used as a shielding material in some reactor designs. It's also highly poisonous to humans if ingested either intentionally or by accident. But graphite as most people know, is actually fairly fragile without a bonding material. Whewn they turned the hoses on, it sent pieces of it flying everywhere, to end up right in the respiratory tracts of first responders.
Think about that next time you get tempted to chew on a pencil.
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:42 am
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And yet, to this day, some people will tell you only 65 people were killed by the Chernobyl disaster.
Meanwhile, the fuck parade in Japan has become exponentially worse.
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And yet, to this day, some people will tell you only 65 people were killed by the Chernobyl disaster.
Meanwhile, the fuck parade in Japan has become exponentially worse. |
They'll also tell you drinking vodka will save your life, and that the government of Finland didn't decide it needed to effectively cull every reindeer being raised by farmers due to worries over groundwater contamination.
That said, it's really not the radiation that's dangerous when you're talking about any kind of unclear event. It's the fallout. Just like living near a coal power plant, you're breathing in toxic waste which is also radioactive. It may take weeks, months, or even years to kill you, but in most cases it will.
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| Toshiba Apology Meter is still reading zero. |
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Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:43 am
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http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/09_30.html
Video of the tsunami smashing into the power plant. Holy fuck.
It was much worse than TEPCO has been saying. (no surprise there eh)
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Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:47 pm
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They officially raised this to crisis level 7
What a surprise.
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I ... I thought they'd done that a while ago.
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No, it was the French that called it a 7 a while back. The Japanese protested and said no no, it is only a 4
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Riiiiiiiiight. They must have had worn out Bobby's song over there. .
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| No, it was the French that called it a 7 a while back. The Japanese protested and said no no, it is only a 4 |
Shouldn't they have been surrendering to the radiation then? |
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:04 pm
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Ha! I just saw a news report, it was Greenpeace that declared it a 7 three weeks ago, based on their radiation readings outside the evacuation zone.
Looks like the US was right, 50 miles out is a good distance.
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Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:39 pm
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I would have thought it was bleeding obvious from the results that were being gathered 3 weeks ago.
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TEPCO is all about trying to avoid liability.
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