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People do and will risk their heath and even sacrifice themselves, if they are allow to do so, and there is no one there to say something or stop them from doing so.

It's says a lot of how much forward planing the company had in the case of the inconceivable.
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Yeah... in onther words, not much...

Like I've said before, Toshiba and all their executives should be forced to pay for the cleanup and relief efforts... everything comes out of their pockets until they've got nothing left to pay with.

Pictures after the 311 disaster
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/04/japan-earthquake-the-long-road-to-recovery/100047/

Pictures of the nuclear disaster
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/110311/

The robots go in
http://www.cio.com.au/article/383517/robots_enter_fukushima_reactor_building_first_time/
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Inside a reactor stuff
http://www.nucleartourist.com/areas/bwr-in1.htm

Relevant pictures
http://www.houseoffoust.com/fukushima/tour.html

More reactor stuff
http://www.jdfem.com/incidents/2011-japan-quake/jdf-nuclear.htm

Love affair of Governments and Nuclear power plants
http://www.thepoptort.com/2011/04/nuclear-love-federal-liability-subsidies-and-preemption.html

Oh those safe nuclear plants
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7040256.ece

http://weblog.greenpeace.org/nuclear-reaction/2008/09/sellafield_seagulls_robots_and.html

Archive of webcam of the Fukushima plant

http://www.gyldengrisgaard.dk/tepcowebcam/tepweb20110315.html on that page you can see the before and after of the explosion that destroyed building 4
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Nice site, where you can click onto other isotopes to see their potential estimated release and distribution. This is an estimate and approximation - they don't actually have vessels all through the ocean collecting and measuring samples.

http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Cs-137_;region=Pacific
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That looks fucked up man. Seriously.
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I don't know accurate their estimate is. It would be interesting to have actual surface measurements.

It's depressing just looking at caesium.

Edit bugger it doesn't want to load quickly, 3 megs and nothing doing ... what gives
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TEPCO finally says what most experts have known for the last two months. Meltdown has occurred.
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They are fast fellows aren't they.

BTW new leak was reported a day or so ago.
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There is all kinds of new info, but I don't care that much right now. If you are extremely interested PM me and I will send you a link to an overwhelming amount of data and such.
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Fuck off and die spammers
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Yep looks like the water is receding from around Dennis Romano the spambot king's computer. He's making up for the days he hasn't had his faithful bots cluttering up the web.

Honestly if I ever discovered this spammer was only a few hours away I'd visit with a tanker of free fuel.
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Gov't didn't release radiation data after accident

The Japanese government has expressed regret for not disclosing some important results of the radiation monitoring conducted near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant soon after the accident.

The central and Fukushima prefectural governments collected the data to determine evacuation measures as well as food and water restrictions for residents.

A reading on March 12th, one day after the massive earthquake and tsunami hit the plant, shows that radioactive tellurium was detected 7 kilometers away. Tellurium is produced during the melting of nuclear fuel.

Three hours before the data was collected, the government expanded the radius of the evacuation area around the plant from 3 kilometers to 10 kilometers.

But the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency reported at a news conference several hours later that the nuclear fuel was intact.

The government also failed to disclose the high radiation levels in weeds 30 to 50 kilometers from the plant. On March 15th, 123 million becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 per kilogram were detected 38 kilometers northeast of the plant.

The nuclear safety agency says it deeply regrets not releasing the data.

Professor Yasuyuki Muramatsu of Gakushuin University says radioactive iodine has a high effect on children. He says that if the data had been released earlier, more measures could have been taken to protect them from exposure.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/04_20.html

Steam, high radiation detected at No.1 reactor

The operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant says steam was observed coming out of the floor of the No.1 reactor building, and extremely high radiation was detected in the vicinity.

Tokyo Electric Power Company inspected the inside of the No.1 reactor building on Friday with a remote-controlled robot.

TEPCO said it found that steam was rising from a crevice in the floor, and that extremely high radiation of 3,000 to 4,000 millisieverts per hour was measured around the area. The radiation is believed to be the highest detected in the air at the plant.

TEPCO says the steam is likely coming from water at a temperature of 50 degrees Celsius that has accumulated in the basement of the reactor building.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/04_16.html
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It's as bad as some thought. The figures are a little worse than I originally (the first couple of days) would have guessed.

At least they finally came clean. Many governments would have remained mealy mouthed.
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Today's news is both interesting and sort of confirms my early on fears, which of course the clueless tried to deny or dance around. As with all things scientific, idiots who try to mock science just seem like fools to me.

The new estimates of radioactive material released (onto the land only, not the ocean/atmosphere) are now at 20% of Chernobyl. The amounts in the 110,000 tons of contaminated water are estimated to be at least 20 to 30 times the amounts released at Chernobyl.

These are TEPCO/government reports, right from the source. A friend scanned this in from Japan, it concerns the new theories about what and why and how reactors 1 and 3 exploded.

Note they now have confirmed complete meltdown of all three reactors, but #2 is still the big unknown as to what happened there. But they no longer have doubts that all the fuel in all three reactors completely melted down, and breached the pressure vessel, with the times being given. English short version below.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_33.html

The extended reports and figures are in Japanese, but thanks to the international efforts to understand and monitor what actually is happening, translation by Japanese native speakers have shed a lot of light on what is being reported.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_15.html

The current efforts are to reduce the water before it starts spilling uncontrolled into the sea. And to prevent further hydrogen explosions and mass release of radioactive material. Radiation continues to come from all four damaged buildings in steam, but one and three seem to be the worst offenders. Videos and still images continue to come directly from TEPCO, and extreme areas of radiation leaking have been identified, both in the buildings and outside the plant.

The crisis is maybe a year from over if all goes well. And every sane person on the planet is hoping it will go well. After that the new tenative plans are for clean up that will take 20 to 100 years, cost 100 to 200 billion dollars, and involves mass removal of contaminated soil and buildings.

Most of the animals in the dead zone have been killed or died, and spraying of sticky goo to trap radiation is expanding around the plants.

While the original concerns over ocean life involved short lived iodine, new research is showing cesium may also be a real problem in the food chain. Radiation from the plant has been collected and analyzed from Tokyo region, with all the isotopes from a melted nuclear core showing up in air from Tokyo (very small amounts)

Most of this information may change, as TEPCO and the Japanese government revise and change the story almost daily.
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That's .... just ... yes sort of what you'd expect, except on land everyone can easily see any "damage," where as out to sea, one can expect the decline in fish numbers as per disease and cancerous growths.

I guess that part of the ocean won't disperse into the rest of the pacific. [/sarcasm]

Where's that dingbat (American protecting the global nuclear power plant building interests) expert now, who was walking around without a mask claiming there's nothing to worry about.
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They have started catching radioactive fish in Japan.
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To eat or to study?

Somehow, I'd have though many would have died in the first few weeks near the plant.
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Technically speaking, most living organisms are radioactive. Are you sure you don't mean contaminated?
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Radioactive enough they can't eat them. From the Fukushima that went into the ocean.

Well outside the 12 mile limit from the plant.
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Oh boy. Wonder how far radioactive fish can wander?
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I'm Sisi's entertainment.

You just know Godzilla is going to eventually show up.
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Nobody is saying.

Meanwhile, radiation levels over 10 Sv/hr (the highest they can measure) have been found outside the reactors. This is enough to kill you in less than an hour.
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It seems a Geiger counter has a limit of 10 Sv/hr

I guess after that it only matters if you are stupid enough to stick around any time at all. The difference between death from 10 and 50 Sv/hr is just a matter of minutes in any case.
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Nobody cares about Fukushima! Kill yourself!
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Send in the trolls
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