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I have decided to list a series of tactics that I find to be not only stupid, but almost entirely ineffective. Yet for some reason they are used repeatedly, by people on this forum and others.
Claiming your opponent is angry and frustrated when no sign is given: Hey people, you cannot tell the inflection in someones voice by text. So stop assuming and sticking that massive inflated ego up your asshole to further self-stimulate yourself. Most of the time you aren't pissing someone off, and when you plainly state it with EVERY reply you make, it doesn't necessarily make it fucking so (Reservoir dogs homage there). Try something new that doesn't involve simply stating your knowledge of you opponent buckling, like I dunno...making them buckle.
Making comments about how much of a loser they must be for being online: See this is just stupid. Your online, in the same fucking forum they are. And now your Trying to claim they are obviously a loser offline. Guess what, you’re a fucking loser too. I shouldn't even have to explain why this is retarded. If you don't know why just stop right now, log off and go hit yourself in the head with a fucking hammer. And do it till blood comes out your pupils, because you need something like that. You need it more than terminal cancer you fuckwit.
Making any comments whatsoever about your opponents age: What the hell is this. "HEY you jackass..................YOUR YOUNG"! What the fuck? Are they going to explode with anguish because you just said they're a kid. This is weak and idiotic. All your really doing is saying the person who is obviously using better flaming tactics than you is younger than you are. Thereby making your impending defeat even more pathetic.
Attacking spelling errors: If you have nothing else to do but point out the fact that your opponent made a typo, or misspelled a word than you have no business not conceding. Because this means you’ve lost. It is really just like shitting yourself. Reply, counter reply, retort, counter retort, you shit yourself. The signal that you have lost is just as obvious. So go to hell or something.
Modifying an opponents name to make it insulting toward them: I expect people who do this to have stickers on their cars of bullet holes. Because they saw these stickers in an auto-parts store and though, "EGAD that’ll look badass, people will see these stickers. And they’ll think someone shot at my fucking car". Doing this is so lame it makes me shit ducks blood. That’s right ducks blood.
Replying over and over again about why your opponent is too stupid to flame: It is like they took every gunfight from the a-team and embodied it in your dumb ass (only Irritus will get that). Basically if you do this, you’re a pussy. Stop being a pussy you pussy.
All for now.
If you see any other useless tactics please add them on. Oh and please don't put some dumb shit like "Continuing to argue with stupid idiotic fag loser tactics when your know im a more experience flamer just like that loser irritus does:" If you put some personal petty crap like that than god will set your head on fire for being a useless bloody stain in the diaper of a dying old man. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:25 am
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The Voice of Reason
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| Senor Salsa wrote: |
Claiming your opponent is angry and frustrated when no sign is given: Hey people, you cannot tell the inflection in someones voice by text. So stop assuming and sticking that massive inflated ego up your asshole to further self-stimulate yourself. Most of the time you aren't pissing someone off, and when you plainly state it with EVERY reply you make, it doesn't necessarily make it fucking so (Reservoir dogs homage there). Try something new that doesn't involve simply stating your knowledge of you opponent buckling, like I dunno...making them buckle.
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True, but when they admit they are angry or post compost style(unless it's an ironic gimmick) the claim can be successfully made with little disagreement from observers. _________________ I've got good news:
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by NOT BUYING ANY. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:29 am
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| Anarchy_Balsac wrote: |
True, but when they admit they are angry or post compost style(unless it's an ironic gimmick) the claim can be successfully made with little disagreement from observers. |
Tell you the truth if that was the only time it was used id have no problem. But if you count the number of paragraphs in somebodies reply and say that is why they're angry. It's just tepid and lame.
eh in a perfect world. Thank god for walgreens. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:09 am
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I've always thought calling someone a fag was like shooting yourself in the foot. If someone was gay, why would it bother them you pointed it out? Therefor, you must be assuming that obvious remarks upset your opponent, or you call them something BOTH OF YOU know that you-yourself don't even believe. That type of tactic is for fags. Seriously. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:18 am
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The Voice of Reason
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| irritus wrote: |
| I've always thought calling someone a fag was like shooting yourself in the foot. If someone was gay, why would it bother them you pointed it out? Therefor, you must be assuming that obvious remarks upset your opponent, or you call them something BOTH OF YOU know that you-yourself don't even believe. That type of tactic is for fags. Seriously. |
Depends on if they are in the closet or not, but just flat out calling them a fag won't cut it. _________________ I've got good news:
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by NOT BUYING ANY. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:22 am
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| Anarchy_Balsac wrote: |
| Depends on if they are in the closet or not, but just flat out calling them a fag won't cut it. |
Well yeah, but you know most people don't call "fag" based on an intuitive knowledge of a person's sexual insecurities. Most of these tactics would be good under rare circumstances, but they're shitty because nearly everyone uses them as a crutch. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:26 am
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These are basically the falmes people use when they are witless or simply too stupid to come up with better material. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:26 am
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Well in this case, it would be clever if they kept using the term "fag" over and over to bring up the possibility of insecurities, or if they keep talking about anal sex. But yeah, I know exactly what you mean, that kind of applies to most flaming tactics when you think about it. Wouldn't want to call someone a fatso only to find out their webcam pics prove otherwise. _________________ I've got good news:
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by NOT BUYING ANY. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:32 pm
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| The main problem is that none of these tactics work if they are baseless. If it's not true, then it's quite likely that both opponents will know it, and whoever uses it will just make himself look foolish. However, if there is a bit of truth in the accusation, it can be used to taunt weaker/more sensitive opponents into escalating the conflict. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:41 pm
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| Senor Salsa wrote: |
Claiming your opponent is angry and frustrated when no sign is given: Hey people, you cannot tell the inflection in someones voice by text. So stop assuming and sticking that massive inflated ego up your asshole to further self-stimulate yourself. Most of the time you aren't pissing someone off, and when you plainly state it with EVERY reply you make, it doesn't necessarily make it fucking so (Reservoir dogs homage there). Try something new that doesn't involve simply stating your knowledge of you opponent buckling, like I dunno...making them buckle. |
Would YOU say in an arguement: "I am upset and angry by you." Seriously. You CAN tell how people are by their text - unless there is a mass disagreeance with you. Can you imagine someone like, Cheesus, saying after he lost in an arguement: "That comment really hurt, please stop flaming me." It'd come across as sarcastic. Nobody admits to being wrong or hurt in an arguement, so you have to call them out using quotes and evidence.
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Making comments about how much of a loser they must be for being online: See this is just stupid. Your online, in the same fucking forum they are. And now your Trying to claim they are obviously a loser offline. Guess what, you’re a fucking loser too. I shouldn't even have to explain why this is retarded. If you don't know why just stop right now, log off and go hit yourself in the head with a fucking hammer. And do it till blood comes out your pupils, because you need something like that. You need it more than terminal cancer you fuckwit. |
Yes, but if you dont mind being a hypocrite its fine.
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Making any comments whatsoever about your opponents age: What the hell is this. "HEY you jackass..................YOUR YOUNG"! What the fuck? Are they going to explode with anguish because you just said they're a kid. This is weak and idiotic. All your really doing is saying the person who is obviously using better flaming tactics than you is younger than you are. Thereby making your impending defeat even more pathetic. |
I agree unless it clearly hurts them.
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Attacking spelling errors: If you have nothing else to do but point out the fact that your opponent made a typo, or misspelled a word than you have no business not conceding. Because this means you’ve lost. It is really just like shitting yourself. Reply, counter reply, retort, counter retort, you shit yourself. The signal that you have lost is just as obvious. So go to hell or something. |
If they are saying: "YOUR GRAMMAR SUXK ASS U FUCKING GHEY, STOPP RUINING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE! I FROM ISRALE! I FROM ISRALE" And are being a complete hypocrite when your spelling every word right and they're spelling every second word wrong, its a fine rebuttle. Also if they insult your intelligence but are spelling every second word wrong.
But yes, ONE misspelling like the word "sentance" being called out as not being "sentence" is pretty gay though it works quite a bit if the person is disliked widely so people will take advantage of it and act like its a big deal. Half an arguement relies on how much of a position of power your in. Irritus and the other mods have an immediate advantage in an arguement.
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Modifying an opponents name to make it insulting toward them: I expect people who do this to have stickers on their cars of bullet holes. Because they saw these stickers in an auto-parts store and though, "EGAD that’ll look badass, people will see these stickers. And they’ll think someone shot at my fucking car". Doing this is so lame it makes me shit ducks blood. That’s right ducks blood. |
Yes, this is retarded and I rarely do it.
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Replying over and over again about why your opponent is too stupid to flame: It is like they took every gunfight from the a-team and embodied it in your dumb ass (only Irritus will get that). Basically if you do this, you’re a pussy. Stop being a pussy you pussy. |
I guess so. Though if they dont realize it you need to.
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All for now.
If you see any other useless tactics please add them on. Oh and please don't put some dumb shit like "Continuing to argue with stupid idiotic fag loser tactics when your know im a more experience flamer just like that loser irritus does:" If you put some personal petty crap like that than god will set your head on fire for being a useless bloody stain in the diaper of a dying old man. |
Wow.. you just shot yourself in the foot there Senor Salsa. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:51 pm
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There has been a slight misunderstanding here. These maybe justified in some cases no doubt. The problem is as some have previously pointed out, they are used too often in cases where they have no justification. Because of this they have become weak and meaningless. Using them can give no real advantage unless your opponent is astoundingly retarded. In which case it would be a hollow victory anyway.
Yes there are times when these tactics (some of them) could be used in a logical meaningful way. But once you start down that road, you may as well take it all the way to Brawl Hall. _________________
I had to kill Bob Morton because he made a mistake. Now it's time to erase that mistake. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:53 pm
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I think my favorite is, "You're not worth my time." Why not just say what you mean? "I'm not competant enough to handle you, so I am dismissing you in the hopes my fake confidence is a substitute for actual talent." If someone genuinely isn't worth my time, I ignore them. That's a pretty challenging category for someone to fall into, because my time is worthless.
I actually made a similar post to this a few months ago called Factor: Language. It was less an insightful discussion and more a list of how stupid people look when they say things. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:22 pm
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I disagree somewhat. I will point out if someone isn't worth my time for a continued dialogue and explain why that is so. I usually ignore their barking thereafter. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:36 pm
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Right, but this is a list of things people say baselessly to dismiss someone. Crutch phrases, in other words.
Oh! Just thought of another one. It's sort of the opposite of the age crack.
"I'm more experienced than you at this. Your blah blah are inferior to mine, based on my expertice." - Again, if you were an expert, you could tear someone apart. You wouldn't have to allude to your credentials, as your talent would be advertized by your effectiveness. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:31 pm
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Clueless Newb
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| irritus wrote: |
| I've always thought calling someone a fag was like shooting yourself in the foot. If someone was gay, why would it bother them you pointed it out? Therefor, you must be assuming that obvious remarks upset your opponent, or you call them something BOTH OF YOU know that you-yourself don't even believe. That type of tactic is for fags. Seriously. |
I happen to agree with this. Even when you're face to face with another man ready to engage in mortal Kombat(with a "k"). Once your opponent calls you a "fag" it screams "Help me, I'm stuck in a corner and can't win!" That is the WEAKEST tactic that I unfortunately have ran into on several occasions. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:34 pm
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| Making comments about how much of a loser they must be for being online: See this is just stupid. Your online, in the same fucking forum they are. And now your Trying to claim they are obviously a loser offline. Guess what, you’re a fucking loser too. I shouldn't even have to explain why this is retarded. If you don't know why just stop right now, log off and go hit yourself in the head with a fucking hammer. And do it till blood comes out your pupils, because you need something like that. You need it more than terminal cancer you fuckwit. |
This one is great! Encountered it several times myself. To me, it's similar to the "Fag" tactic, it is something you say when you're at the end of your rope and exhausted all viable tactics you may have been able muster. People who use this tactic should be hoarded and gassed. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:38 pm
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| Threatening someone with physical violence: Those oh-so-tough assholes who feel the need to say something as ridiculous as "If I ever see you on the street I am going to fuck you up". I mean seriously, you're in a verbal battle with someone over the internet and you think whipping your penis out and pressing it against the monitor is supposed to have some effect on them crushing you? Be real, I have encountered this in my years of AOL RP (which I regret almost every one of them). Very ill-effective and annoying. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:13 pm
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| Threatening someone with physical violence: Those oh-so-tough assholes who feel the need to say something as ridiculous as "If I ever see you on the street I am going to fuck you up". |
Agreed. That one is always silly. On a side note, the first person to create a program that let's you physically reach through your monitor to slap someone else online will become a billionaire. _________________
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:37 pm
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| Anarchy_Balsac wrote: |
(unless it's an ironic gimmick) |
Good caveat.
I would say that the 'tactics' on the list are so cliched and hackneyed that most of the time they are used to annoy or mock. Only a rube would use them seriously.
Much like typing 'OMG LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111'. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:21 pm
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OMG LAWLZ!!1111!11!1!
Daaaar. I have never encountered anyone that ignorant. I had to deal with one person in the last, what? Three years. It has been a while since I crushed someone last. I came here in hopes that I will see plenty of action. |
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Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:37 pm
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| Another one closely related to the first is repeatedly claiming that your opponent was defeated, didn't stand a chance, telling him he got owned, etc. If this is actually true, it wouldn't need to be said. It just makes whoever says it look insecure and searching for self-assurance. |
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:30 am
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Another pitiful one is to claim that because someone reacted to what you said they must feel guilty because it is true about them. If you genuinely weren't attempting to offend someone, you would apologize and clarify yourself when you saw your loose wording was interpretted as an insult. The immediate claim someone felt guilty is an admission you meant to cleverly insult someone, but are also too dumb to conceal your intent when publically outed. _________________
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:41 am
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Another one I've seen a lot is accusing your opponent of some underhanded tactic (like thinly veiled insults, for example) while doing the same thing yourself. If the argument goes in that direction, it ends up making everyone involved look bad.
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:53 am
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| Senor Salsa wrote: |
| Oh and please don't put some dumb shit like "Continuing to argue with stupid idiotic fag loser tactics when your know im a more experience flamer just like that loser irritus does:" If you put some personal petty crap like that than god will set your head on fire for being a useless bloody stain in the diaper of a dying old man. |
Uh oh. _________________
Amen brother Bonesaw.
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:05 am
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| Senor Salsa wrote: |
| Oh and please don't put some dumb shit like "Continuing to argue with stupid idiotic fag loser tactics when your know im a more experience flamer just like that loser irritus does:" If you put some personal petty crap like that than god will set your head on fire for being a useless bloody stain in the diaper of a dying old man. |
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Id call that pulling a slashco. But I know how much he hates that. _________________
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:08 am
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| Excellent, my legacy lives on. It is a legacy of infamy, but it'll do! Yes, it will do just fine. |
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:54 am
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OMG LAWLZ!!1111!11!1!
Daaaar. I have never encountered anyone that ignorant. I had to deal with one person in the last, what? Three years. It has been a while since I crushed someone last. I came here in hopes that I will see plenty of action. |
Three posts in a row.. pretending like your God... showing the sentence construction of a preschooler.. Yes, im sure you'll last here. Just make allies with Senor Salsa and the others, lick his asshole and you'll be fine. |
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:20 am
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FWS have you lost your mind? You're seeing god complexes and arrogance everywhere now and throwing petrol regardless of accuracy or purpose. You're starting to act like some sort of ranting madman like Leopardsocks. _________________
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:23 am
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*Winces as FWS bites off far, far more than he can chew*
This ought to be fun
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Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:24 am
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| FWS have you lost your mind? You're seeing god complexes and arrogance everywhere now and throwing petrol regardless of accuracy or purpose. You're starting to act like some sort of ranting madman like Leopardsocks. |
The hell? THE HELL? You're trying to censor me! You have what's known as a God Complex! |
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