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Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:44 am
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Clueless Newb
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| Quite similar to The Hitler Card, This is often done as a last ditch effort to sway the argument back into one's own favor by appealing to an opponents' sense of piety. A common method includes copy and pasting biblical verses. A more crude version includes saying "What Would Jesus Do?" or accusing an opponent of not being 100 percent faithful to their religion. This is a favorite weapon of Deacon. The downside is the more The God Card is played the less effective it becomes. Especially when the opponent it's being used against does not follow that particular religion. |
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:00 am
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A Deacon tactic? Sometimes, but I've noted that the "God card" as in "you're not being true to your religion" is most often employed by Atheists, in an attempt to discredit Deacons.
I have seen it used by Christian Deacons to say that moderate Muslims aren't following true Islam, at which I, a devout agnostic, use it against them in exactly the same way.
It's kind of a chickenshit technique, usually the last desperate resort of those who are losing a moral argument to a religious poster. It does, however, have some legitimacy when used in retaliation for a "first strike". In other words, if a person from religion A is attempting to tell someone from religion B what they're supposed to believe, it's all fair and good to distort and perversely interpret religion A to make the first poster look like an apostate. |
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:16 am
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| evilevilevil wrote: |
A Deacon tactic? Sometimes, but I've noted that the "God card" as in "you're not being true to your religion" is most often employed by Atheists, in an attempt to discredit Deacons.
I have seen it used by Christian Deacons to say that moderate Muslims aren't following true Islam, at which I, a devout agnostic, use it against them in exactly the same way.
It's kind of a chickenshit technique, usually the last desperate resort of those who are losing a moral argument to a religious poster. It does, however, have some legitimacy when used in retaliation for a "first strike". In other words, if a person from religion A is attempting to tell someone from religion B what they're supposed to believe, it's all fair and good to distort and perversely interpret religion A to make the first poster look like an apostate. |
Yeah, it can actually be rather effective if used against a Deacon in the middle of a war, using a collection of their posts as proof that they are hypocrites, and don't practice what they preach. It can be used to back up a previous point or argument, or change the subject if you're being cornered. I can see a Deacon using this, but this is a double-edged sword if you're religious as well. Atheists have nothing to fear from this.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:58 pm
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| evilevilevil wrote: |
| It's kind of a chickenshit technique, usually the last desperate resort of those who are losing a moral argument to a religious poster. |
I agree, though if the argument in question was of morality and the posters involved were the same religion, I could see this as a legitimate point rather than a copout tactic. Like if a Catholic board were discussing the interpretation of their bible or something, this wouldn't be an underhanded thing.
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| Atheists have nothing to fear from this. |
True, though the zealotous religious worship atheists often have for science leaves them vulnerable to a secular version of the same thing. Instead of invoking God you just jam the words, "it's been proven," in the hogwash you're feeding your opponent.
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:08 pm
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| Quite similar to The Hitler Card, This is often done as a last ditch effort to sway the argument back into one's own favor by appealing to an opponents' sense of piety. A common method includes copy and pasting biblical verses. A more crude version includes saying "What Would Jesus Do?" or accusing an opponent of not being 100 percent faithful to their religion. This is a favorite weapon of Deacon. The downside is the more The God Card is played the less effective it becomes. Especially when the opponent it's being used against does not follow that particular religion. |
You would have to really know how to use it if Your gonna pull that card...
I notice that most site Moderators will not tolerate Religion debates and quickly erase the thread.......especially if They are religious themselves
just a thought.........
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:25 pm
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One of the strangest debates I ever saw, was I kid you not, two athiests arguing over a chapter of Matthew. It was so ridicolous, that for the most part, me and the rest of the religious people on the forum just sat back and watched. Wish I'd gotten screenshots of it, the entire thread disappeared not long after the worse of the two launched into his infamous "man makes all morality, hence whatever I decide is right" speech.
But yeah, the real messed up part there was that the other athiest, no friend of religion by his own admittance, was actually defending christianity.  |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:06 pm
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| ambosen wrote: |
One of the strangest debates I ever saw, was I kid you not, two athiests arguing over a chapter of Matthew. It was so ridicolous, that for the most part, me and the rest of the religious people on the forum just sat back and watched. Wish I'd gotten screenshots of it, the entire thread disappeared not long after the worse of the two launched into his infamous "man makes all morality, hence whatever I decide is right" speech.
But yeah, the real messed up part there was that the other athiest, no friend of religion by his own admittance, was actually defending christianity. |
Oooh, that's an arguement I'd take part in...
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:09 pm
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| ambosen wrote: |
One of the strangest debates I ever saw, was I kid you not, two athiests arguing over a chapter of Matthew. It was so ridicolous, that for the most part, me and the rest of the religious people on the forum just sat back and watched. Wish I'd gotten screenshots of it, the entire thread disappeared not long after the worse of the two launched into his infamous "man makes all morality, hence whatever I decide is right" speech.
But yeah, the real messed up part there was that the other athiest, no friend of religion by his own admittance, was actually defending christianity. |
Oooh, that's an arguement I'd take part in... |
Apparently, according to that guy, christianity is the first religion which really allowed a person to even have a say in what constituted morality. Methinks he didn't read up on religion in general; most change over time. |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:28 pm
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| ambosen wrote: |
| ...his infamous "man makes all morality, hence whatever I decide is right" speech. |
Ah, that's a common nihilist stance that you'll sometimes see atheists use. People who say that crap never consider how horrible the world be be if everyone believed it.
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| Apparently, according to that guy, christianity is the first religion which really allowed a person to even have a say in what constituted morality. Methinks he didn't read up on religion in general; most change over time. |
That's a fair assessment. What people overlook about the "Seven Deadly Sins" is that they replace crimes against God with criminal motives. Damn, wish I could have seen that fight.
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:31 pm
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| Ah, that's a common nihilist stance that you'll sometimes see atheists use. People who say that crap never consider how horrible the world be be if everyone believed it. |
Yeah, I've never quite gotten the prevalence of nihilist philosophy among the athiests I've met; all the more so since it's origin came IIRC, from a middle ages christian philopher, can't remember the name, obviously, who'd decided flat out God had put man on the earthliterally to suffer and eventually go to hell. I think some of his teachings later spread through, ironically enough the people carrying out the Spanish inquisition.
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| That's a fair assessment. What people overlook about the "Seven Deadly Sins" is that they replace crimes against God with criminal motives. Damn, wish I could have seen that fight. |
I'm one of those guys who quite frankly, is still a little shocked about the sudden turn from force of arms to convert people to missionary efforts which actually starts somewhere around 250 BC then goes on and off again for the next 2 millenia or so. The Crusades, ironically enough, could go into the history books as mankind's first secular war endorsed by a religious figure. [[/i] |
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| Ah, that's a common nihilist stance that you'll sometimes see atheists use. People who say that crap never consider how horrible the world be be if everyone believed it. |
Ahh, but they're such fun arguements to make because they're so very annoying.
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:03 pm
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Why would the moderator delete a thread just because the discussion is of a religious nature? what are they afraid of? 
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In the past we had a rule here banning political/religious debate because, well, if you read the thread you'd understand it. Basically political and religious debate turn a forum into a cesspool of redundant angst or repetitious repetition, even when people get along.
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| Why would the moderator delete a thread just because the discussion is of a religious nature? what are they afraid of? |
...Afraid of? Religion is like politics, and can tear a forum apart...
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. I'll have to think about that. I felt compelled to voice my opinions on another site concerning my feelings about the war and the shrub. I don't think the recipient of my harsh statements sat very well with him... 
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