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A doll party is an event in which a sock puppeteer starts a conversation among several of his sockpuppets and keeps it going for more than one round of conversation, usually without another person intervening. The usual motive for a doll party is to make it appear that the original poster has more support than he (or she) really has, although it could also be intended (as mentioned in the original description of the Sock Puppeteer) to simulate a Swarm to create false consensus and overwhelm opponents. Once in a blue moon, someone will put on a doll party for trolling or just entertainment, but persuasion is much more common instigation for these events.
Historical Note: My fiancee coined the term "doll party" to describe one of the more noteworthy tactics of Brad Jesness, a multi-award-winning net.kook who has infested sci.psychology.psychotherapy for nearly a decade. While Brad is primarily a Loopy, he's also an accomplished Sock Puppeteer, and he sometimes uses his sockpuppets (Supporters of Brad) to stage doll parties. Other net-kooks have used this tactic before Brad, notably the late Earl Gordon Curley, but Brad inspired the name.
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:08 pm
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It's both.
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Isn't that the gist of what "also" means in that context? That it is both what person 1 mentioned and what person 2 did as well?
...I think I'm becoming a tireless rebutter.
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:32 am
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| It's both. |
Yes, it's both a tactic and an event. I'll edit the subject line to reflect that.
ETA: Done.
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:33 am
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| She was agreeing with you. |
Don't you mean you were agreeing with yourself? |
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:06 am
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| She was agreeing with you. |
Yes, a rare moment in which we were in accord was ruined by his tedious over correcting.
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Yes, I think I'm becoming a tireless rebutter.
*Voice suddenly sounds deeper and more insane*
SOMEONE HELP MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:27 pm
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This sounds a lot like nervous Breakdown.
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A doll party is much more controlled than a nervous breakdown. Usually, there isn't much if any outside involvment, just the sock puppeteer having his or her socks talking to each other in agreement. However, a doll party could escalate into a nervous breakdown if others start flaming or the puppet master cracks.
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Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:00 am
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There's a conspiracy theorist on Delphi who's been doing this exact same thing at every forum he posts at clear since '99 and still hasn't gotten it through his head that people know it's going on.
Sad, really. |
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Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:04 am
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( new, although I've lurked before)
I admit I haven't seen this, but have no trouble believing it. I would imagine it wouldn't work very well though, due to the login times and post times being close to each other. |
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Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:09 pm
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( new, although I've lurked before)
I admit I haven't seen this, but have no trouble believing it. I would imagine it wouldn't work very well though, due to the login times and post times being close to each other. |
It gets worse on USENET, where it is possible for everyone to see your IP address or posting host. There, one has to be much more clever to cover ones tracks.
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Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:49 pm
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| A doll party is much more controlled than a nervous breakdown. Usually, there isn't much if any outside involvment, just the sock puppeteer having his or her socks talking to each other in agreement. However, a doll party could escalate into a nervous breakdown if others start flaming or the puppet master cracks. |
Aye. They both have the same root cause- a Stealth or Sock Puppeteer loosing control of themselves. People meltdown in different ways.
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| She was agreeing with you. |
Don't you mean you were agreeing with yourself? |
STOP CONTRADICTING YOURSELF! By yourself I mean me, because we're the same person.
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| I would imagine it wouldn't work very well though, due to the login times and post times being close to each other. |
Well it all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. A doll party can be downright devastating in some instances, such as the catastrophe Alistair subjected the forum to using a cadre of Super Mario Brothers-themed sock puppets. Wow.
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| Neon Vincent wrote: |
A doll party is much more controlled than a nervous breakdown. Usually, there isn't much if any outside involvment, just the sock puppeteer having his or her socks talking to each other in agreement. However, a doll party could escalate into a nervous breakdown if others start flaming or the puppet master cracks. |
The funny thing is this.... A Picador might just throw a doll party in a thread that is already underway to give himself some camoflage needed to goad his target toward a path that will kill it. Tech savie Agents might also use an event like this.... assuming they are good enough to fool the Admin.
The problem with the doll party event however is that Stealth, and Impostor and perhaps even Net Rat could throw a doll party. I guess Doll Party is just the term for people that get CAUGHT throwing one. Somebody that eletronically covers thier tracks, waits for an approprate period of time bettween posts and co-ordinates his pupets just right might never be caught. Paticularly if he pre-scripted the puppets in his head to display certain behaviors based on what other posters in the thread say. An undetectable Doll Party would have to be somebody who could write in more then one style too.
Asside from the technical part it does not look that hard to pull off if you know where to go to make your originating IP look diffrent each time.
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Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:50 am
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| and it wouldn't work if it was already a known sockpuppet of the puppetmaster, anyway. from what i've seen, sockpuppets can usually be identified at some point, |
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| and it wouldn't work if it was already a known sockpuppet of the puppetmaster, anyway. from what i've seen, sockpuppets can usually be identified at some point, |
I agree. Once a "sock puppet" is seen for what it is by the majority (as opposed to a suspicious minority). that pupet is now a "flayed sock pupet" and only useful for the dust bin or to resurect on another unrelated fourm. Never the less a sock pupet need never last very long to serve its purpose.
You need only log in with your sock puppet every once in a great while and post in a non inflamitory thread while remaining in charicter for that paticular puppet. Hell a good sock puppet show put on by more then one organizer (both working in concert with each other and playing no more then 3 diffrent charicters each) might be mistaken for a Swarm or a CyberSisters, maybe even a Cobra Kai attack if I understand the discriptions right.
Planing a Sockpuppet attack or doll party well enough so its mistaken for something else would be pretty hard. Two Picadors, Stealths or more likley on poltical fourms Agents could use Sock puppets to great effect if they spent a few days planning it. Hell it would be a trap even a Kung Fu Master, Royals, or a Godfather or two might fall for even if these partipants would harbor great suspicion over these sudden new arrivals or sudden activity over normally inactive partipants. The Admin might harbor doubts too once he reviews the post log if the sock puppet attack was not properly set ahead of time with normal banter from each puppet over a period of weeks.
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| of course, I doubt many people who operate sockpuppets just for flaming can co-ordinate like that. and if they fell out, they could blow the other w/o exposing themself nessecarily. |
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You know, Raptoreyes, if it weren't for the fact that you're posting relevant info, your signature would convince me that you're a SpamBot.
...Maybe they've developed spambots with adaptive technology and linguistic techniques! 
And I agree about Agents using sock-puppets to make a point about their subject.
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I don't do socks much, but one time, I used it to put myself in a better light with the boardies at a weather forum. I call it The Redeemer. 
I went in with the sock and just started insulting everyone; it served a two-fold purpose: A. I could take my frustrations out on the idiots without getting banned & B. My injured rep got a major boost when I de-socked, and defended the honor of the board against the sock. 
They all thought I was great for a while.... until I told the global mod to "blow it out your ass", two weeks later. |
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I often froget to look carefully at the date that an intresting thread was spawned on. Then I find out after the fact that I was raising the dead.  Silly me thinking that extortations to Satan, gliphs drawn in the ground, and sacrificing small animals were needed to become a necro. Nay just ignore the date stamp on the last post.
After playing a Warlock in World of Warcraft, ShadowKnight in EQ and a Necromancer in both Guild Wars and Diablo2..... it somehow does not suprise me that that I am a thread necro too.
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I often froget to look carefully at the date that an intresting thread was spawned on. Then I find out after the fact that I was raising the dead. Silly me thinking that extortations to Satan, gliphs drawn in the ground, and sacrificing small animals were needed to become a necro. Nay just ignore the date stamp on the last post.
After playing a Warlock in World of Warcraft, ShadowKnight in EQ and a Necromancer in both Guild Wars and Diablo2..... it somehow does not suprise me that that I am a thread necro too. |
You forgot to justify the SPAM sig.
Stop trying to make money on here, you inconsiderate hemorrhoid. |
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I don't do socks much, but one time, I used it to put myself in a better light with the boardies at a weather forum. I call it The Redeemer.
I went in with the sock and just started insulting everyone; it served a two-fold purpose: A. I could take my frustrations out on the idiots without getting banned & B. My injured rep got a major boost when I de-socked, and defended the honor of the board against the sock.
They all thought I was great for a while.... until I told the global mod to "blow it out your ass", two weeks later. |
What did you do to mask your socks IP? I have heard of websites that can do that for you and email accounts that self destruct in 10 min but have never had the need to use such resources. Until your post however I had not thought of the sock puppet as a utility to vent different (less cuddly) parts of your personality on a public forum while avoiding lasting reprisals from Nanny and Admin.
As letting off steam goes it sounds effective. I guess sock puppets are best "sewn" ahead of time, complete with all the digital tracks to make them convincing so you can blow your stack with good likelihood of anonymity. The trouble is outbursts need be short for the longer you blow off steam with the puppet (or use it for any other purpose) the better the chance the puppet master will be found.
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain I am the great and powerful Oz."
Once one of your sock puppets is traced back to you their lies an even greater danger! Others might feel it useful to make puppets of their own for (insert various species of mischief here) and then blame you for the damage their sock puppet is doing once people begin to voice suspicion about the authenticity of the puppet. A revealed sock puppet might haunt the puppet master a good looooong time.
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I don't do socks much, but one time, I used it to put myself in a better light with the boardies at a weather forum. I call it The Redeemer.
I went in with the sock and just started insulting everyone; it served a two-fold purpose: A. I could take my frustrations out on the idiots without getting banned & B. My injured rep got a major boost when I de-socked, and defended the honor of the board against the sock.
They all thought I was great for a while.... until I told the global mod to "blow it out your ass", two weeks later. |
What did you do to mask your socks IP? I have heard of websites that can do that for you and email accounts that self destruct in 10 min but have never had the need to use such resources. Until your post however I had not thought of the sock puppet as a utility to vent different (less cuddly) parts of your personality on a public forum while avoiding lasting reprisals from Nanny and Admin. |
I'm not going to answer any of your questions until you take that crap out of your sig. |
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I love you too Nuttycake /kiss
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