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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:30 am
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This is a tactic I rarely consciously use, but often feel the benefit of. The driving point of this is that if you make a good point, and obfuscate it in a cloud of babble, most warriors will either think you're really smart and not question you, or be so tired hacking their way through all the confusion that they will be unwilling to tackle the reasonable idea it protects.
Don't try and obfuscate with big words hardly anyone's heard of (such as obfuscate, which, incidentally, I probably spelled wrong): or rather, don't do it much. Such obvious intentional confusion will mark you as a Profundus Maximus, and we don't want that. You can make an almost unintelligible sentence simply by arranging and repeating simple words in a brain-damaging order, as in these examples:
."You must know what you do not know, but what you know will not allow you to know what you do not know." - Gene Ray.
."The only times you say what I'm thinking, it's without any of the sarcasm and therefore the exact opposite of what I mean." "Maybe that's because the only times I'm NOT thinking what it is you aren't saying is when YOU'RE thinking but I'M talking" - Brian Clevinger.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:40 am
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| Yogo wrote: |
This is a tactic I rarely consciously use, but often feel the benefit of. The driving point of this is that if you make a good point, and obfuscate it in a cloud of babble, most warriors will either think you're really smart and not question you, or be so tired hacking their way through all the confusion that they will be unwilling to tackle the reasonable idea it protects.
Don't try and obfuscate with big words hardly anyone's heard of (such as obfuscate, which, incidentally, I probably spelled wrong): or rather, don't do it much. Such obvious intentional confusion will mark you as a Profundus Maximus, and we don't want that. You can make an almost unintelligible sentence simply by arranging and repeating simple words in a brain-damaging order, as in these examples:
."You must know what you do not know, but what you know will not allow you to know what you do not know." - Gene Ray. |
Are you sure you want to cite Time Cube? He's the kind of person to whom I give awards, like this one:
"Goofy Azzed Babboon
This award commemorates Kookistic achievement in the linguistic arts. Of any language. To be awarded for categorical instances of such achievement, but if a fully separate category of it is exhibited by said Kook then they can win it more than once. There is no statute of limitations here; one should award net.kooks of the past as well as the present. Linguistic butchering is, we believe, a demonstrably proven Kook Art. If the person's inability to use language comes from their inexperience with it they do not qualify. Kooky language must come from Kooky thought."
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"The only times you say what I'm thinking, it's without any of the sarcasm and therefore the exact opposite of what I mean." "Maybe that's because the only times I'm NOT thinking what it is you aren't saying is when YOU'RE thinking but I'M talking" - Brian Clevinger.
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Ah, the creator of 8-Bit Theater! That's a better choice.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:06 pm
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I cite Gene Ray because that particular phrase is a perfect example of my tactic in action.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:39 pm
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| Yogo wrote: |
| I cite Gene Ray because that particular phrase is a perfect example of my tactic in action. |
Yes, it is, but Gene Ray is a Loopy, and what you've done is shown how a Loopy unintentionally uses losing things in babble as part of their normal speech. Calling it a tactic on his part gives more credit to his wiliness than I think it deserves.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:42 pm
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:05 am
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| I believe this is already covered by Wall of Text. |
I don't know, that's too obvious. The thing about babbling the way I do it is that it, somehow, actually does look like you're trying to be clear, concise, even poetic. And all MY babble is arranged neatly in paragraphs, perfectly understandable; in theory, at least.
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:19 pm
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Did you actually read the description for Wall of Text or are you complaining about the name?
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:19 am
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I read the description. Same basic principle, but walls of text make no attempt to hide their identity as walls of text. My babble doesn't look like I did it on purpose (mostly because I almost always DIDN'T), and is usually very concise.
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:46 am
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| irritus wrote: |
| Did you actually read the description for Wall of Text or are you complaining about the name? |
Wall of text tends to denote tactics that require many many many paragraphs. Yogo tends to cause that much fatuge in a few sentences (which is quite efficent for its intended purpose compared to a wall of text).
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:00 am
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You could also encode your postings heavily with latin/french/german sayings to further increase the effect. Like the effect water has on a Treolyte.(Yes, I'm still watching VX, Mardoct & possible allied silent watchers, silently, quietly, by proxy...Maybe even *gasp* posting!)
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:11 pm
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| Yogo wrote: |
| I read the description. Same basic principle, but walls of text make no attempt to hide their identity as walls of text. My babble doesn't look like I did it on purpose (mostly because I almost always DIDN'T), and is usually very concise. |
That's a minor semantic difference. Furthermore, the description of Wall of Text doesn't say the user is openly trying to overwhelm someone, even though the description doesn't say whether there's an attempt to hide the behavior's intent.
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:02 pm
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| Yogo wrote: |
| I read the description. Same basic principle, but walls of text make no attempt to hide their identity as walls of text. My babble doesn't look like I did it on purpose (mostly because I almost always DIDN'T), and is usually very concise. |
That's a minor semantic difference. Furthermore, the description of Wall of Text doesn't say the user is openly trying to overwhelm someone, even though the description doesn't say whether there's an attempt to hide the behavior's intent. |
Okay, you win . . .
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:13 pm
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Don't be discouraged. It's a good tactic, we just really need to index the Art of Flame War section.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:57 am
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An incisive and witty opponent can take this tactic down fairly easily. Being pedantic and long winded can help in some situations. Some. Not all. Some.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:36 am
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| Ymgir wrote: |
| An incisive and witty opponent can take this tactic down fairly easily. Being pedantic and long winded can help in some situations. Some. Not all. Some. |
Sure, pick on the single biggest mistake, the single most stupid section, the irrelevant aside, or the comment most revealing about the person using the Wall of Text. That will make the person melt down. That's certainly how an Evil Clown would go about it.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:05 am
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I guess I'm an evil clown on the offence then.
But, then there's saying a few things in English letter-translated Chinese/Japanese. That'll throw almost anyone for a loop.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:16 pm
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I guess I'm an evil clown on the offence then.
But, then there's saying a few things in English letter-translated Chinese/Japanese. That'll throw almost anyone for a loop. |
Running someone's text through Babelfish multiple times before translating it back into English is a time-honored Evil Clown tactic.
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:18 pm
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| Babelfish? Link, pl0x? |
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:27 pm
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Wait, wouldn't running something though Babelfish also be a Profundus Maximus tactic?
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:43 pm
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| In operation not putting something waiting although sparrow of the tactic of Babelfish also Profundus the maximum one is? |
Depends on the purpose. Ne s'occupe pas de vous, d'aucune façon, forme, ou heure. |
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:52 pm
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Я имею ощупывание что это смогло быть потеха. Вы перевели то к для того чтобы получить их любите то?
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:54 pm
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| Я имею ощупывание что это смогло быть потеха. Вы перевели то к для того чтобы получить их любите то? |
Your syntax leaves a lot be desired Tovarisch.
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:02 am
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I'm not exactly allknowing in Russian/English grammar differences.
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:09 am
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Ho desiderato sempre vedere che cosa deve come essere una cavia! Attendo, come divento una persona ancora? Come afferro le cose? Non ho pollici opposable!!! Aiutilo!!! Non sarò un essere umano più!!! ! Di aiuto!!!
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:14 am
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:35 am
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Well, you would certainly know.
Σας τρύπημα και ηλίθιο χάσιμο του χρόνου. |
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:37 am
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| Mly wrote: |
| I'm not exactly allknowing in Russian/English grammar differences. |
Funny; I thought you were all babel fishing it in response to Neon posting the link.
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:26 am
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| Wait, wouldn't running something though Babelfish also be a Profundus Maximus tactic? |
Only if one was quoting something profound in the original language and wanted to translate it into English. That would likely blow up, as there would generally be better translations already available on the web, and someone skilled with a search engine would find them.
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