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The Queen Bee:
The Queen Bee typically makes her nest in a forum with a high concentration of potential male workers, such as a gaming forum. Initially a very weak Warrior on her own, the Queen Bee alerts others of her presence by consistently dropping 'accidental' hints that she is female, and then drawing the male workers into her nest with innocuous flirtatious comments. Deprived of female attention in the real world, the male workers quickly become her loyal subjects.
Having amassed an army of workers bees, the Queen can now send them out to fight her battles. The Queen Bee rarely enters direct conflict with other strong Warriors. Instead she will make an off-hand remark to let her workers know that their Queen does not approve of what is being said, and then sit back as her army of subjects swarm in to do battle. |
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:52 pm
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irritus' minion
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This'd work... Were not the gender ratio of forums widely divergent even in "common" interests according to the stereotypes your apparently relying on.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:30 am
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This is just a Royal/Godfather fantasy with internet cliches thrown in. Also, drones are male, worker bees are female.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:17 pm
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Forgive me but I thought this site was all about identifying the virtual stereotypes found in fora.
Whats the problem with clichés anyhoo? They were borne from somewhere, so there must be some truth in them. From my experience there are fora with mostly male contributors, and in these fora there are always one or two female contributors that play on their gender to garner support from the male population.
I'm not trying to be sexist, I don't even have any grief with these kinds of people. I'm not saying that ALL female contributors act in this way, far from it. These Queen Bees are a very small minority, but seem to crop up on most of the male-dominated fora I have ever used. I'm just stating what I've seen.
Drones... workers bees... whatever it was late where I come from and I'm no David Attenborough. |
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:50 pm
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| Forgive me but I thought this site was all about identifying the virtual stereotypes found in fora. |
No, it's for caricaturing common types of people found in flame wars.
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| Whats the problem with clichés anyhoo? They were borne from somewhere, so there must be some truth in them. |
That or there's no truth in them but, being that they're easy insults, uncreative people use them constantly. The bandwagon fallacy doesn't hold much weight.
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| These Queen Bees are a very small minority, but seem to crop up on most of the male-dominated fora I have ever used. |
This is still just a specific example of a Godfather/Royal type, regardless of whether I believe it a plausible one or not.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:55 pm
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| No, it's for caricaturing common types of people found in flame wars. |
All of the current Flame Warriors are caricatures. As i Said, not all female contributors act in this way but there are a a select few that (IN MY EXPERIENCE) act in this manner.
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| That or there's no truth in them but, being that they're easy insults, uncreative people use them constantly. The bandwagon fallacy doesn't hold much weight. |
I wasn't trying to insult anyone, in fact I'd probably fall into the category of contributor's deprived of female attention. Clichés are yes, over-used, and yes, unoriginal, but that doesn't make them any less valid. Can you honestly deny the fact that there are fora dominated by men? I hate to think that I've touched upon a nerve here.
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| This is still just a specific example of a Godfather/Royal type, regardless of whether I believe it a plausible one or not. |
But... bringing the argument back on track... yes perhaps I have just stumbled upon a combination of existing warriors. My point is that these people have very little substance to contribute to arguments, they rely solely on their army to relentlesslessly berate anyone that has views that do not agree with the Queen Bee. |
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:08 pm
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| irritus wrote: |
| No, it's for caricaturing common types of people found in flame wars. |
All of the current Flame Warriors are caricatures. |
So then your question is answered.
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| Clichés are yes, over-used, and yes, unoriginal, but that doesn't make them any less valid. ... I hate to think that I've touched upon a nerve here. |
It doesn't make them more valid, either. That was my point. As for touching on a nerve, no, I'm just tired of reading the same baseless, canned "observations" passed off as insulting insights over and over again. I have the same reaction to common internet sayings like that really clever one that relates arguing over the internet to the Special Olympics.
You know the one.
You have to!
The one you've heard/read at least 100 times?
The one about arguing over the internet being like the Special Olympics?
You know, where ev-- Wait. No. I'd say the punchline but I'm too afraid of busting a gut laughing for the 12,000th time. 11,999 times could be my limit.
Maybe I'm just getting jaded, but I'm starting to think that originality is going the way of subtlety on the internet. Then again, maybe I'm really handicapped. It "touches a nerve" for me to see someone copy and paste that same hurtful truth... you know... instead of thinking of something on their own to say to me.
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| Can you honestly deny the fact that there are fora dominated by men? |
Can you honestly deny the fact this has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion of the accuracy of cliched insults? Should I begin throwing out meaningless, off-topic facts to support my position as well, because I know a great deal about cooking, poisons, and political philosophy. You know, after rereading that last sentence even I'm seeing connections that shouldn't be there.
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| This is still just a specific example of a Godfather/Royal type, regardless of whether I believe it a plausible one or not. |
But... bringing the argument back on track... yes perhaps I have just stumbled upon a combination of existing warriors. My point is that these people have very little substance to contribute to arguments, they rely solely on their army to relentlesslessly berate anyone that has views that do not agree with the Queen Bee. |
I still don't see a difference. Nothing in the description of Godfather or Royals that implies they always have substance to contribute to their arguments. Actually, nothing implies they ever have substance to their arguments. This is more Godfather than anything else, but it's still already covered.
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You're a Coprophile, aren't you? 
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The Queen Bee:
The Queen Bee typically makes her nest in a forum with a high concentration of potential male workers, such as a gaming forum. Initially a very weak Warrior on her own, the Queen Bee alerts others of her presence by consistently dropping 'accidental' hints that she is female, and then drawing the male workers into her nest with innocuous flirtatious comments. Deprived of female attention in the real world, the male workers quickly become her loyal subjects.
Having amassed an army of workers bees, the Queen can now send them out to fight her battles. The Queen Bee rarely enters direct conflict with other strong Warriors. Instead she will make an off-hand remark to let her workers know that their Queen does not approve of what is being said, and then sit back as her army of subjects swarm in to do battle. |
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Oh shut up, this suggestion sucked and the metaphor doesn't make sense.
<-- omg burn
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Ooh! P'zowned!
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The Queen Bee:
The Queen Bee typically makes her nest in a forum with a high concentration of potential male workers, such as a gaming forum. Initially a very weak Warrior on her own, the Queen Bee alerts others of her presence by consistently dropping 'accidental' hints that she is female, and then drawing the male workers into her nest with innocuous flirtatious comments. Deprived of female attention in the real world, the male workers quickly become her loyal subjects.
Having amassed an army of workers bees, the Queen can now send them out to fight her battles. The Queen Bee rarely enters direct conflict with other strong Warriors. Instead she will make an off-hand remark to let her workers know that their Queen does not approve of what is being said, and then sit back as her army of subjects swarm in to do battle. |
Interesting, though description is probematic as evidenced by various reponses.
There are a few angles someone could look at this from and arrive at varying views, simply by missing some of the important words hidden amongst the clutter.
From one angle you might be observing a partial Kitten factor coming into play, but if feel instead you've understated the workings of a "Manipulative Bitch".
This alone - alerts others of her presence by consistently dropping 'accidental' hints that she is female and innocuous flirtatious comments doesn't really define a "Manipulative Bitch", but it's not hard to imagine there's a lot of virtual foreplay going on behind the scene or whatever else she would be comfortable to do to help her cause.
Some are sociopathic. Don't confuse the term with psychopath as many people seem to do lately - huge difference. Also just because someone is manipulative and lacks scruples does not mean they are a sociopath. It's hard to pin the term to anybody as it really takes a while to form an unbiased profile.
(Sociopathic people may exhibit promiscuous sexually behaviour (good news for members close by) but sometimes this behaviour is repressed leading to strange behaviours - in the case of one I've known, such as paying out on those enjoying a fling or those still single and playing the field as well as being a serious married c tease herself.)
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