Flame Warriors ~ View topic - FW suggestion Mosquito /Blowfly /Sheriff and others

Edited Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:50 pm approx
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Sorry if this warrior has been described before. The Mosquito is someone who will join a forum not to contribute but only to get/find something quickly. They are likely to have hovered around and landed on many of the available "feeding grounds" (forums). They are only briefly about the forum, usually long enough to determine whether or not they can get what they want. Some will bluntly direct you to email them directly on the matter they have posted - their time is short. Thereafter they disappear.

Mosquitos sometimes do give back, esp if the forum is stuctured differently, a winge about the forum. Perhaps asking, for a better way to know if messages have a response, or to mention the forum should be like others, where you can see if anyone saw their post. It can spark a large debate, esp from the less insighful members who don't see why the forum was structured in that way.

Blowfly, will buzz about the Net, always on the lookout for discussions that have become macarbe/sick. Nothing seems too gross for Blowfly who is right at home and all to ready to discuss in great detail - they are after all, quite an expert on the subject. All are mystified where Blowfly came from or how Blowfly found this thread in the first place, which has inavertently become smelly, possibly as a result of Yuk Yuk. The resulting discussion (or links posted) by Blowfly is likely to even turn Yuk Yuk's stomach. Where there is one Blowfly, you may soon have more, but most Blowflies know that if they attract too much attention they will be chased away from that thread. Blowfly may hang around briefly or until the thread is stale. Once Admin or Nanny realise they have a Blowfly, they will take action and take a swipe .

Blowflies will congregate, in specialist forums only a Blowfly would visit on purpose. Would seem one of their habits is collecting locations of macarbe websites.

Any suggestions of a better label for these descriptions, reply most welcome.
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Aiiee - I'm having a bit of a time describing this one. Err its an essay darn it.
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The Sheriff.
No-one likes to see a member/s subjected to unreasonable financial or mental harm (or any other criminal activity) on the net, but some warriors will morph into The Sheriff as a response. Minor things generally won't raise their ire, but should a more serious event occur, Sheriff will work to put a stop to it. Usually serious events occur outside the forum, so Admin or Nanny can't really do much, but in present times they are likely to have a valid IP address of the said offender/s. The offenders generally have the victims emails for direct contact, or worse still, have a general city location or a street addresses and/or phone numbers.

When this warrior morphs onto the scene, they don't really battle it out with words. When they are out and about, their business is putting a case together. A message here, an inquiry there, and they leave any original emails on their local ISP as proof. They will secretly set about putting the victim/s in a better position to gather proof as well. Sheriff might even appoint a deputy or two to catch out the offender/s (or gather proof). Once done, an idle warning may suffice. If not they seem to just as easily get a location on the culprits and lodge the appropriate complaint with local authorities/ISP. It seems Sheriff, generally has a lot of working knowledge of lawful practices. Otherwise they may have a V good grounding in common sense.

What a Sheriff isn't. (which turns out took longer to define)
The Sheriff should not be confused with a "moral cop". "Moral cop" is hard to define as there is a blur from what average users do, to those who need some sort of mental help/pills.

The average warrior might wrongly get called a "moral cop" in a situation where they are going to confront a member, validate, and then report the facts to authorities, when it's fairly clear to them, that a member is guilty of some utterly sicko activity(ie. Activites we do not accept in present day society, resulting with arrest.) Motivation in reporting these instances, are more about what's criminal, rather than whats moral.ie Though the activity might be immoral, it has reached a point, that we see it mainly as criminal

Someone who would just scrape in as some sort of "Moral cop", is someone who acts on what "they see" as morally bad. They generally have little insight into the human condition or in the differences in cultural values or into how other factors can modify the way in which people behave. Sometimes, the way the facts lie, they are justified in making cutting comments, half-witted remarks, funny slanted suggestions, set about warning/alarming Admin or Nanny of the "problem" or contacting authorities.

There is no mistaking true "Moral cops", who have a fanatical intention to make sure others don't do, what they can't /don't do . Someone who is a busybody force-fed gossip monger, with skewed insight (or none) is a good candidate. Whatever means to an end, is fair in their mind. They have no care nor idea of the impact on a person's life or how long (sometimes years) it may affect their target, via the consequences of a vicious unfounded mud slinging war.

True "Moral Cop" has always wondered about a certin members lifestyle, habbits, hobbies and interests. There is a certin amount of paranoia. Once a tid-bit comes along (could be completely bogus or even circular gossip) , that might have the slightest hint of confirming their worst held fears, any rationality they had, leaves. From now on the "problem" is considered a "mark". A hate war is mounted. The sneaky back stabbing method seems popular.

What sparks off the mild to the fanatical "Moral Cop", is something other members, would bearly notice, and if they thought it was the least bit odd, they'd just shrug their sholders. Sometimes it is quite clear how it started. Some good natured flirting in the forum, is proof for "Moral cop" that privately, there must be a online extramarital affair or worse still, they are planning to meet. Then, often, it's not very clear. Like perhaps a guy once discussed they editted home video movies part-time and didn't think much of the movie "8mm", and at a later time, mentioned they had some dead, porn video files. Who knows where the abstract idea came from the first place, but it feeds "Moral cop's " fears, who then sets about painting with a few lies and half-truths, these fears into reality.

Aiiee - Moral Cop is a hard one to explain correctly. I have to point out, though many would think I meant someone over-actively enforcing the standard moral code, it is more to do with those who as some mental issues within, and enforcing some personalised version of the moral code. I don't believe it decribes someone who has an overly fanatical ideas/values, which they live by, but someone who has arrived at a fanatical conclusion about another member based on a limited amount (or none) facts. Another example I can think of - I think MC got a whim, someone was breeding their pet too much. Didn't get to find out what much of the behind the scene type stuff of what MC had done. I know they got a call from the breeder association, following up a request for this "mark" to be struck off.

I recently added, in another thread - someone who preceives real and imagined messages/personality traits as Evil/not moral from their perspective - often they have some sort of personality disorder such as superego lacunae. In other words, a normal person would not have reached the same conclusions that "Moral cop" see as fact.

Moral Cop will act on most things, it finds distasteful

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First edit Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:25 am approx to add new Label

Suggestion No 5 (can't think of a good label)
Wounded Down

They have an air and grace of that of an experienced and successful warrior. This combatant is known to have put together some very good arguements. However, wheather it is increased chronic pain, increased medication, increased work load, or they have less time to squander posting at work, their argruements/posts generally become more and more abstract during their time online that day.. Not quite a Jekyll and Hyde, it's just their messages lose structure, meaning or sometimes becoming too vague to follow. If they took the time to "fill in the gaps" their posts make perfect sense, unlike posts by Bong and Loopy. They are likely first off in their day, to smooth out some of the previous days rougher responses.

Ghost.

Its a given, but thought I'd outline it anyhow. The warrior who is banned, but can't set up a fake account as Admin checks the ip and email addresses. They are not content to lurk, and instead, Ghost gets a buddy from another forum/place to register. Also, in this way, Ghost can "lurk" around a closed forum. Through their buddy, they can carefully post a few/many(until banned) posts which fight on, and perhaps, to stir up a more sympathetic view, of the banned warrior. A crafty Ghost, realises someone might catch on, and will phrase responses in the same manner of an opponent.

Sooner or later, members will see it is the same sort of posts, that got Ghost banned in the first place. They will wonder if it is Ghost using a different IP/email or if someone is having some fun spoofing Ghost. The fun (?) starts when someone spoofs Ghosts style but with the opposing view.

Figment or Gone or Admin Deletus (I can't think of a good label)

This warrior is only ever seen on a forum where they are not on friendly terms with Nanny or Admin (ie list/forum moderator/s)

Often Nanny or Admin will have decided rather than ban a warrior, to put them instead, on the moderated short list to be approved manually, or if an open forum board, to make a point to check all of their messages.. Generally all runs well, as Mods generally document fairly well, what is allowed and what is not.

If a warrior's feathers are ruffled by being placed on the mod short list, or posts are being rudely edited/deleted due to content or arguing style, they might happen to morph into Admin Deletus.

Admin Detetus, makes the best use of this new predicament, and starts to complain to the forum via hints and other subtle clues, that some/many of their posts are being removed or edited to death, or delayed for a number of days. (this of course is not the case) If Admin Deletus is a serial pest, other members are absolutely delighted that Admin is playing the "I didn't do it" game. Admin Deletus, then by default never really loses, as they make sure it is perceived, no fair fight was allowed. It won't matter if their ideas are idiotic or obviously flawed. Nearing crunch time they can go back to "this is pointless, what was wrong with that last message" type posts. Admin or Nanny can claim they did not, all they like, and the only real action is delete all the winging messages or to totally ban Admin Deletus. Personal contact from other members, for details, will not get the details of the deleted posts, but a winge about the unfairness of it all. If pressed for details, Admin Deletus will cite suspicion for the sudden private contact.

Admin Deletus is more effective in a forum run but evil Admin/Nanny or if Admin and Nanny are Xenophobes, Cyber Sisters, or part of The Swarm. ie Admin Deletus was more than likely moderated, as their posts were quite overwhelming. As they were a thorn in evil Admin/Nannies side, it wins them a lot of support from other members. They are likely to strike during or after a discussion in which Admin and friends can not win. Either by hiding out or posting some empty type messages, they'll email other combatants with the full content of the messages that got "deleted" or "edited". With a good level of support they are free to email and contact supporters, detailing why Admin/Nanny are so wrong, question why they (Admin Deletus) are in their focus, and the pettiness to "win" by removing/editing posts. A person can play at being Admin Deletus to great effect, making sure evil Admin/Nanny remembers never to unfairly censor/edit anyone in the first place, again. (Well - wishful thinking) Crutial, is stirring up support for a new mailing list or forum to form, as Admin Deletus not unexpectantly knows their actions will see them banned.

Though I've suspected there are few who might have been faking deleted posts, I've ever known of one definite Admin Deletus for sure. As I personally knew the ego/Jerk/Admin (who turned out to be amongst other things a, IMO, - superego lacunae) I was there to witness, on download no such posts existed. Sadly that Admin Deletus, apart from being outmatched, and the serial pest, was not practiced at lying. The situation was a combination of both sorts described above, and and allowed me to see both situations as the situation played out. (ie the serial pest had support apart from Admin's detractors.)
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Mosquito - Heh...I do that on video game forums on GameFAQs. If I get a question while playing a game, I take a quick look at the game's forum if the problem isn't in an FAQ. But then when I'm done with the game, I'm off. Laughing

Suggestion #5: I think I know what you mean. When the pressure's on, they get less and less coherent, yes? (And do they sometimes use the phrase, "Sorry I sounded so bad last night. It was 3:00 AM, and I was half asleep/drunk/sick/trying to finish a term paper"?) Wink

The best labels I can think for this one is "Stress," or "Were-Garble"

Ghost: I've seen one of these before. A pair of Godzillas had attacked one of my friend's boards, but after we got rid of them, one of their friends just happened to register at our board. He never posted anything in defense of the Godzillas, but he was always on the forum watching us or something. Confused

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Poker Player. (I know it needs a better label)

This warrior keeps all of their cards close to their chest. At times there is little emotional feedback and can display some Android like quirks. The main weapon is to gve the impression they have a winning hand (when most of the times they don't) and are known from time to time, to bluff competition/combatants.

There are a few forms.

Examples: In forum which is peer review, they will play down/ rate poorly, with plenty of fake palaver, those who are in their locale. They bluff other peers into believing they are not at all biased. How unfair their review, depends on wheather or not the peer is likely to be reviewing them soon. Its all a careful little game with them, rather than just do the job, without bias.

Another ex.: A member will bluff with certin claims about this and that. However, no one can check, as its all hush hush. Was on the net and now its not, they work for an unspecified secret organisation, etc.' This member tries to bluff the forum into accepting they are correct.

Next ex: Lie or give the impression they ae in a bad position, when infact they should be in a situation to know a lot more. Example - on a tech forum they will give the impression they have only just started on computers, whereas infact, they've had one from childhood. Perhaps the opposite of a Weekend Expert.
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Yeah, whatever loser.

Yeah, whatever loser?
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Or maybe Wound Down. Sounds like he just gets tired out.
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Actually, I like that better. I'm gonna back TTF on her suggestion.
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I'm touched.
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Obsolete was good, but I have to say I like Teamtunafiish's suggestion as well. Stress and Were Garble were OK too, but Wounded Down fits and is a better label to describe what seems to be happening to these warriors.

Thank you Anzufirst, irritus and Teamtunafishl, I'll edit and Drop in Wounded Down, as soom as I get a chance.
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Clueless Newb Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 13

now I am:

A Risen-Enigma-Ghost

Hey, at least these guys are back-reading the threads - do I get the sense some people on this forum actually know what they're doing?
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Well, there's a difference from reading old posts and responding to them.

Besides, I was just being a smartass.
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True.
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