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Bake Sale Betty's the one who always suggests raising money (usually to pay the forum's maintenance fees) and persuades other forumites to send in actual $$$. Sometimes the project involves simple donations, others, it's a matter of selling something (with the forum's logo on it) to raise funds.

Swapper Sue is forever trying to persuade others to give her their (new, unused) belongings, by offering something else (less expensive, and used) in exchange. Frequently an imposter, but not always, usually just greedy.

Swaplifter Sally's related to both of the above, and perhaps the Trojan Mod, since she's an expert at persuading people to part with their personal goods and hard earned money, and then convincing them that every bit of their contribution got 'lost in the mail.' She can also frequently be a moderator, since she loves having a forum to control and/or delete at will. Fond of melodrama, fond of creating multiple personalities, and not to be trusted, for all that she's a master at creating trust in others.

Geezer's related to Old fogey and Xenophobe, but he's a good bit more forgetful, and tends not to notice that the rest of the forumites have long since moved on to topics other than the few that originally drew him to the forum, and still hold his attention. Think of him as a senile Archivist, since he never really notices that others avoid being drawn into his discussions, and no longer find him quite so fascinating.

Spring Breaker is usually a teen, home alone in front of the computer for hours on end for a week in spring. Can disrupt entire forums with clever faux persona, spam, floods and other nuisances. They're usually try to pretend not to be what they are, and tend to attract a supportive crowd of innocent Newbies eager to defend them.

Tse Tse Fly is a variant of the Mosquito and Imposter, whose goal is to destroy the forum, by infecting it's members with doubts about the moderator's integrity. Usually a disaffected, unsuccessfully banned former member of the forum's Royal Family.

The first three are good. How do they fight, though?

Spring Breaker seems familiar, but as far as I can tell it's original. I like it.

Geezer is good.

Tse Tse Fly was already suggested as Poisoner.
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Hmm I don't think a warriors involved in selling their own goods over the forum have been described. Promotion is different. Not Bad.

Geezer has been suggested (old guestbook, many labels from it can be found on the Ideas page), but described someone who had seen it all before. (ie not senile)

Spring Break, while such people exist in Real Life, on the net they would look not much at best any more different than Enigma Really frisky people have been described by labels such as Hyperactive.

Tse Tse fly is a nice concept, (I believe I've seen a few), as it sums up another reason for being an Imposter. They are also a very weak type of Poisoner. However I'd really say they were (esp. the sucsessful ones) a class of Picador. Excerpt from Picador uses well placed barbs to goad his adversary into charging while skillfully avoiding the appearance of being the provocateur. In this case it is anybody against the Mod.
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Verbal Juggernaut Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 981

Folks who sell stuff are often found on forums devoted to collectables and such, so there are definately a lot out there.

Clueless Newb Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 24

The first 3 warriors. I have not belonged to a forum where swaping or the like takes place, so I don't know what sort of wars would go on.
I have seen Bake Sale Betty (s) and one was very notable on a site where TOS did not allow any commercial activity. It is probable I've met a Swapper Sue, certinly I've seen a members make a cash offer a couple of times, but not enough to be able to call them a true Swapper Sue.

OK antagonistic factors.

Bake Sale Betty. Hmmm, well that is entirely dependent on the forum, list or group. The issue of money and funding can bring a heap of burried issues to the surface once more. Raising funds for some charity can bring out the skeptical warriors, and fun will ensue.

Swapper Sue. Greedy swappers are bound to end up arguing, I used to chase down Ebay comments (negitive ones) for fun when I was bored. I'd imagine in a forum where there was a fair bit of commercial activity, there would be some pretty good fights break out.

Swaplifter Sally. Ohhh, I can imagine a fair bit of trouble here. Notably Troll fodder.
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I've been thinking it over, and I'm not sure I'm satisfied with Spring Breaker. I think they're a variant of The Tourist, but does such a type exist already??

Bake Sale Betty's quite different from the Salesman type, though. She's all about supporting the forum 'community.' (or at least she is if she isn't a Trojan Mod in disguise, lol.)

All the female types except the Swaplifter in my original post are pretty much an extension of the Klatch or Cyber Sister types, though. Tend to be Bliss Ninnies and Me Toos when times get tough. Oh well.

What about an Earth Mother type? Those seem fairly common, and even tend to identify themselves as such.

Guest =(Have you got a Handle /name?) I think it's pretty obvious what the first 3 warriors you suggested are (or could be)

Thought Bake Sale Betty (BSB) does often raise money for the forum, they will raise money for other causes when their interest shifts, or if there is no need to rase money for the forum anymore.

Many warriors may have facets of other warrior types as well. BSB is going to cause the most friction when they raise money for a cause. If it happens to be a list where money stuff should not be discussed, then yeah, you have some fun ahead. One side will be saying gosh, we should make an exception, the other side saying no, and skeptical warriors coming out flaming the cause.

The other 2 comercial warriors, I can't make a comment on any situation I've seen them in. I have seen a similar warrior that has a commercial interest in the members of a given forum, but I suppose they would be covered by Spammer.

When describing a warrior, you need to capture the essence of what they are, from an online point of view. Spring Breaker would look Hyperactive to other online members, or like an Enigma, judging by your description. They may also be considered to be a tourist, but that depends on the warrior.

I guess the way to understand this point, is to see the extreme and see that a warrior type of " Guy patting cat while drinking coffee" isn't really going to define an online warrior. Yes they might type slowly, and they probably do exist, but it doesn't really define them online.

I will go into tourist. The label exists in the Ideas link. Mike Reed's last Guest Book started in the middle of 2000. People also wrote in with suggestions. via email. I no doubt picked it up either from Real Life or online, from other people who use the term. I have had a look through the guestbook for a description of the Tourist, but did not find it, (except where I used the term) Hopefully the suggested label is about the same as I have used it.

Tourist is a term I have used for a while to descibe those people are just visiting, happy to have found such an interesting list /forum, checking the place out, before they see it doesn't hold their interest, and move on. It is usually obvious (to others) in their intro to the list / forum. (like they have a reason to have plenty of time to kill at the moment) Sometimes they will return after a while, and stick around, finding their niche on the list / forum.

Could you expand on Earth Mother, like how you would recognise them etc. a lot of women think they are some sort of godess, but...

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