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Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:42 pm
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Clueless Newb
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Jailor is like Ennui with admin powers; he has little to contribute to the forum except the locking of threads, usually because they bore him. Whenever a thread is getting interesting, whenever a battle is heating up, you can count on Jailor to show up and lock it just before the climax. Any excuse to lock a thread will do; it looked like turning into a flame war, the topic was discussed once back in 1998, the posts aren't well enough written for Jailor's liking, etc. Usually, Jailor will have an annoying little catchphrase that he likes to spout when locking a thread, or posts a trademark jpeg of a rusty old padlock or similar, just so that you know that your thread has been pwned by him. Naturally, the other warriors quickly work out when Jailor's peak hours are, and once the cat is away, the mice will play.
Inmate is a forum denizen which quite often appears in large numbers on a forum which has a resident jailor. Usually a post whore of some description, Inmate's goal is to post in a doomed thread before Jailor can lock it. He develops an eye for the kind of subjects which draw Jailor's wrath, and upon finding such a thread, is quick to dart in with a post like "In before the lock!!" In extreme examples, Inmates are known to compete with one another to get the last post in before Jailor shows up. _________________ The frightening lovechild of Evil Clown and Coffee Klatch. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:39 pm
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Verbal Juggernaut
Joined: 06 Mar 2005
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| Jailor seems original to me, but inmate seems more like an event than a warrior. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:05 pm
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Forgotten Horror
Joined: 31 Jan 2005
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Jailer is just an Ennui with mod powers. Nothing new.
Minds blank on Inmate though. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:06 pm
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Verbal Juggernaut
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| grim squeeker wrote: |
| Jailer is just an Ennui with mod powers. Nothing new. |
Ennui seems more a participant. Jailor only says something when it's locked. But I see where you're coming from. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:10 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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| Ennui's description wrote: |
| Ennui only rouses himself from his torpor to cajole other Warriors to be more interesting - without, of course, ever contributing anything of interest himself. Ennui has limited weaponry at his disposal, but his majestic affectation of boredom provides an effective defense to attacks. When pressed in battle he will announce his intention of moving on to a more stimulating forum, but instead he will generally lurk quietly until the threat passes. |
The only difference is that this Ennui locks threads rather than tell people to be more interesting, and in a sense, its the same message he is conveying. It is not unique enough to be a warrior on its own. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:19 pm
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Verbal Juggernaut
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:19 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:20 pm
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Power-Mad Nazi Mod
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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This isn't Ennui, it's The Wrapper with mod powers. _________________
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:23 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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Um, no.
Relevant material quoted from the wrapper
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Basically Wrapper monitors and responds to what "they see" as off topic threads. Most of the wrappers' responses have a main theme and is along the lines of end it now, this thread is finished, not to be discussed any further, this will be the last post on the matter, this thread is off topic, No more, we are not allowed to talk about ... etc.
Typically there will be a nice discussion going, usually started by some newbie who was not enirely sure if their topic was legit. Despite the fact some other members have decided it is legit, and are actively in discussion, Wrapper will post a vicious assult (usually breaking a number of forum rules) or be as awful as they can get away with, calling for an immediate end of a discussion. Actually they will often proclaim that their post will be the last or something to that effect. If any wannabe Howlers and Xenophobes are there, and size up that some sort of victory might be had, they will join in on the assult and help Wrapper.
Eventully Admin or Nanny will need to remove Wrapper from the forum, unless Wrapper blows a fuse first and quits over the "insulting disregard" from other members.
The Wrapper will often target new members' topic/post, to be the first reply. If on the rare occasion they are going to participate, it might signal that a subject has arrived they might know something about.. If "they feel" the subject does not belong, then here Wrapper could be mistaken for a true Xenophobe. The Wrapper offers the first response, being a sharp barbed and hurtful reply, to a post from new member, most Newbies are scared off, never to heard from again. Some new members are not Newbies |
MO and motive is completely different. Ennui fits the bill well enough, but the Wrapper comes across a a hostile arsehole. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:26 pm
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Power-Mad Nazi Mod
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Jesus, that description is kinda.... um, poorly worded? I thought it was just someone who would attempt to kill any thread that got ugly or off topic. I'll admit I was just going by the blurb on the suggestion list as I usally can't stand reading these long and poorly worded suggestions.
Either way this warrior (Jailor) is still already covered. _________________
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:32 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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| I didnt write it, and that aint all of it. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:29 pm
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The Voice of Reason
Joined: 31 Jan 2005
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Jailer- you dmitted this is just ennui + admin, common sense says you do not suggest this(duh).
Inmate- Not so much it's own warrior as a trait, particularly one that evil clown often has. _________________ I've got good news:
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by NOT BUYING ANY. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:39 pm
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Space Whale
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
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| Anarchy_Balsac wrote: |
Jailer- you dmitted this is just ennui + admin, common sense says you do not suggest this(duh).
Inmate- Not so much it's own warrior as a trait, particularly one that evil clown often has. |
Actually common sense says that you do acknowledge that you were aware of the simalarity, thus the critizism is no longer a complaint such as: Why didnt you read the list first? etc. _________________ Every person alive lives in their own personal alternate reality.
Good luck trying to get other people into yours. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:56 pm
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Abusive Admin
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Jailor is original. It resembles Ennui in being a non-contributer and an asshole. While Ennui expects people to entertain him, Jailor gets off on aggrivating people by shutting them down in the most visible way possible.
Inmate isn't a warrior. Trying to post at the last minute is an action, not the total definition of how someone acts online. _________________
Tireless Rebutter / Archivist
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:12 pm
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The Voice of Reason
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| Smite wrote: |
| thus the critizism is no longer a complaint such as: Why didnt you read the list first? etc. |
Which in turn links to common sense . _________________ I've got good news:
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by NOT BUYING ANY. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:13 pm
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Abusive Admin
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:14 pm
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Clueless Newb
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I find it amusing that most of the complaints seem to be based on the fact that I said that Jailor is a bit like Ennui + admin, rather than on the actual properties of Jailor. I wonder if the complaints would have been the same if I had simply omitted that clause from the description.
To be honest, now that I reconsider it, only some varieties of Jailor have the motivations of Ennui. Others may even be Anti-Ennui, locking all but the most boring and tame of threads.
Essentially, Jailor's central trait is the regular locking of threads, for even the most pedantic of reasons; he rarely gives reprimands, bans members, or enforces forum discipline in any other way. Just the constant locking of every decent thread going. Typically, Jailor loves to flaunt his administrative power in this way, hence the iLock catchphrases and lockdown jpegs. _________________ The frightening lovechild of Evil Clown and Coffee Klatch. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:37 pm
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Abusive Admin
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It's always a mistake to expect others to read carefully. _________________
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:24 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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| irritus wrote: |
Jailor is original. It resembles Ennui in being a non-contributer and an asshole. While Ennui expects people to entertain him, Jailor gets off on aggrivating people by shutting them down in the most visible way possible.
Inmate isn't a warrior. Trying to post at the last minute is an action, not the total definition of how someone acts online. |
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| Jailor is like Ennui with admin powers; he has little to contribute to the forum except the locking of threads, usually because they bore him. Whenever a thread is getting interesting, whenever a battle is heating up, you can count on Jailor to show up and lock it just before the climax. Any excuse to lock a thread will do; it looked like turning into a flame war, the topic was discussed once back in 1998, the posts aren't well enough written for Jailor's liking, etc. Usually, Jailor will have an annoying little catchphrase that he likes to spout when locking a thread, or posts a trademark jpeg of a rusty old padlock or similar, just so that you know that your thread has been pwned by him. Naturally, the other warriors quickly work out when Jailor's peak hours are, and once the cat is away, the mice will play. |
Jailer, as written. The first part does not follow with the rest of the description. Though i cant prove it i suspect you went back and rewrote the description after i had posted my comments on it, because that is a completely different warrior to the one i was attacking.
As it stands now it looks like an Evil Admin. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:55 pm
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Abusive Admin
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It's possible Fricasso made the updates while you were writing your reply. That happenned once to me with one of teamtunafish's replies. I think we were arguing about her 17th reworded version of an existing warrior. _________________
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:57 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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| The one i was attacking was the same for wuite a while. It is concievable he changed it before Lord Cheesus posted, but if that was the case he wouldnt have put up so little opposition. I feel it is likely he did it while I was at university. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:07 pm
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Clueless Newb
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| grim squeeker wrote: |
Jailer, as written. The first part does not follow with the rest of the description. Though i cant prove it i suspect you went back and rewrote the description after i had posted my comments on it, because that is a completely different warrior to the one i was attacking.
As it stands now it looks like an Evil Admin. |
Don't blame me for your inability to read a post properly before commenting on it. I think it's likely you stopped reading after the first sentence, having already jumped to a conclusion.
If there are inconsistencies in the original description, it is because I wrote it badly. I'm completely regretting drawing any comparison to Ennui at all by this point. _________________ The frightening lovechild of Evil Clown and Coffee Klatch. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:10 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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| I do have my failings, but not reading a whole post before i make my reply is not one of them. I have to do it on several of the forums i freqiuent and have frequented in the past, else all particpants of all sides drop on me like a ton of bricks. Very intolerant of mistakes. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:17 pm
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Abusive Admin
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I have to side with grim on this one. Unlike a lot of people here, he does read what he's replying to before he hits the button. _________________
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:21 pm
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Clueless Newb
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If it had been changed, surely there would be a 'last edited' message in the bottom of the post. _________________ The frightening lovechild of Evil Clown and Coffee Klatch. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:30 pm
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Abusive Admin
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| grim squeeker wrote: |
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| Jailor is like Ennui with admin powers; he has little to contribute to the forum except the locking of threads, usually because they bore him. |
Jailer, as written. The first part does not follow with the rest of the description. |
I agree with this. However, it can be corrected fairly easily. Just rewrite the first line to indicate he may alsodo it from enjoyment pissing people off.
Evil Admin? Got a link? _________________
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:10 pm
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Forgotten Horror
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| I know its been suggested and used a lot here, but i cant find it in your list. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:32 pm
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Abusive Admin
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| grim squeeker wrote: |
| I know its been suggested and used a lot here, but i cant find it in your list. |
It's been refered to a lot here. Sadly, it was suggested in the Guestbook a long time ago and no one's tracked it down and reposted it. _________________
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Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:51 am
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Dark Lord of the Stealth
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| Lord Cheesus wrote: |
| Jesus, that description is kinda.... um, poorly worded? |
I like the Wrapper description, except the first paragraph is confusing, but then it becomes clear and is pretty insightful. I never noticed it before for some reason, probably because I didn't read much past the first paragraph, but I have seen Wrapper periodically and he is a real bastard who deserves to die. Typically an imbecile who scares smart people away from the forum, Wrapper likes to attack 'noobs' thinking they, at least, are warriors he can probably defeat. For the health of a forum it is imperative that harder and more respected posters kick the shit out of Wrapper as soon as he reveals his special ways.
As far as Jailor goes, I agree that it falls under the aegis of Evil Admin/Bastard Mod, OR AT LEAST IT SHOULD!
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Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:18 am
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Forgotten Horror
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| Fricasso wrote: |
| If it had been changed, surely there would be a 'last edited' message in the bottom of the post. |
Im afraid that this forum doesnt leave edit tags, or it does at an advanced stage of edit. At least four repitions, probably more, if at all. I have corrected enough serious typos to know that you can get away with 3 at the least.
Testing.
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