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Inert Mass
Inert Mass is a challenging warrior to contend with. It takes a firm stand on nearly every issue, whenever it is seen. Due to it's nature, Inert Mass can be a powerful warrior in an unconventional sense. It pits warriors directly against their own desire to be helpful or accepted as correct. Though it can be moved to another side, its density makes most arguments sink in slowly if at all. A great deal of force, repitition, and pushing will eventually move this warrior to another position. As the name implies, though, Inert Mass will remain where it is until someone moves it.
Some might say this warrior is simply stubborn and easily written off, but this is not the case. Ignoring an Inert Mass will not change the fact it is there.
WARNING: Caution must be used at all times when attempting to move this warrior. Otherwise it may be accidentally rolled off-course with terrible collaterol damage. Its weight may shift completely off-topic, be incoherent in the context of the discussion, or simply miss the point and crash somewhere else entirely. Worse, it may become Sisifus' Boulder.
Sisyphus' Boulder
An Inert Mass may sometimes be found in another form known as Sisyphus' Boulder. This state occurs in an uphill battle, when this bulky warrior strongly believes something. When pushed against gravity, Sisyphus' Boulder is moved with great effort. The slightest misworded phrase, however, will send it rapidly hurtling back to its original position, much to the frustration of the pusher.
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Ugh. Why do ideas only arrive right after I update the list?
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These sound like less stubborn versions of ferrous cranus. I don't know if they're really worth listing even though they aren't on the roster yet.
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| Anarchy_Balsac wrote: |
| These sound like less stubborn versions of ferrous cranus. I don't know if they're really worth listing even though they aren't on the roster yet. |
Ferrous Cranous is unswayable and repeats the same charges over and over, ignoring how utterly crushed they are. Inert Mass is someone who simply doesn't get what you're saying, either from being deeply set in their ways, not reading what other people write, totally misinterpretting what they read, or simply missing the point. In other words, it is someone who is particularly bad at seeing another's point of view for what it is.
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| Inert Mass is someone who simply doesn't get what you're saying, either from being deeply set in their ways, not reading what other people write, totally misinterpretting what they read, or simply missing the point. In other words, it is someone who is particularly bad at seeing another's point of view for what it is. |
That still sounds like Ferrous Cranus or Stone Deaf to me. Whether they refuse to see someone else's point of view because they can't or because they're set in their beliefs goes to motivation, but combat style is the same and that's what makes a flame warrior. The only original part is the description of this warrior's inertial mass, and how it takes a great amount of force to move him from his position.
Sisyphus' Boulder is merely a description the same warrior under slightly different circumstances. Inertial Mass is being pushed along a flat surface (perhaps a convincing argument / one that he can understand and relate to), so although moving him takes a great deal of strength, he will move and remain at his new destination. The S. Boulder is being pushed up an incline (bad argument, or something he's having trouble accepting?), so it takes even more strength, and he will revert back to his original position if the 'pusher' makes any mistakes. I still envision this as Stone Deaf (even the picture matches), but perhaps this stone isn't completely deaf. Just very hard of hearing. Interesting, but not worthy of being a new addition IMO.
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| Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. |
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| Stone Deaf is one of the few truly invincible Warriors because nothing can shatter his impenetrable armor of non recognition. His primitive battle strategy is maddening effective; he simply refuses to acknowledge any arguments he doesn't like. |
One never yields his position, believing his arguments, no matter how refuted are right. The other completely ignores anything he can't beat. Both are unconvincable, stubborn, and uterly closed-minded.
Inert Mass is someone who is coming at a situation from a totally different perspective from everyone else. Most likely an older member or anyone who'd been oriented with their environment for much of their life. Perhaps he can't read between the lines or doesn't try to. Maybe he associates vastly different meanings with the terms everyone else has a collective agreement on. It could be his life experience has given him a unique insight, but he never feels the need to mention it so no one knows how to talk to him. The reason might be that he is uncomplicated, or someone who takes everything at face value.
In any case, it is someone who is challenging to talk with, but who will make an effort to see another point of view. It's the differences in mentality between Inert Mass and the rest of the forum that cause the problem.
Sisyphus' Boulder is not a warrior. It is a state Inert Mass may take (which is why it's not in the title). When Inert Mass has a deep-set opinion on something, he can be moved. He can see someone else's point of view. However, the moment they make one mistake he immediately concludes this is a sign their side isn't right either, and resumes his original position.
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He might have a different mindset, but does he have a different fighting style? It might help if you gave an example.
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| He might have a different mindset, but does he have a different fighting style? |
Yes. As I pointed out before, Stone Deaf's method is ignoring whatever he dislikes, and Ferrous Cranous uses the same things over and over again. By contrast, Inert Mass may be somewhat repetitive, but varies his argument when he begins to get something. This is not his most defining trait, however. For the most part, Inert Mass' arguments will seem almost alien in nature, and may be puzzling to some people. He may clearly misuse certain words, but in a way where you could see what he thought he meant. He could completely misread an argument and reply in such a manner that his reply borders on being part of another topic.
The key difference, which is reflected in how he fights, is that he simply doesn't understand. As a result, his presence in any argument is a foreign one.
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| It might help if you gave an example. |
Sadly, this one's coming from memory.
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| Ferrous Cranous is unswayable and repeats the same charges over and over, ignoring how utterly crushed they are. Inert Mass is someone who simply doesn't get what you're saying, either from being deeply set in their ways, not reading what other people write, totally misinterpretting what they read, or simply missing the point. In other words, it is someone who is particularly bad at seeing another's point of view for what it is. |
Hence why I said "less" stubborn because they actually do try, even if they don't get it right away.
What I'm trying to say is this:
ferrous cranus - Can't or refuses to get it
inert mass and sysphus boulder - They get it if you push hard enough
That is different, but because they can be similarly stubborn, I'm not sure it's different enough to warrant a new roster space. Sysphus boulder seems sort of like a hybrid of the 2 since it can revert back to it's old position.
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I've seen a few Patois like this. They were all folks that had been writing english for some time, and spoke a Romance language natively. I've seen a lot of Newbies like this, too. It's distinct, but I dunno if it's really an arch-type.
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| irritus wrote: |
| Ferrous Cranous is unswayable and repeats the same charges over and over, ignoring how utterly crushed they are. Inert Mass is someone who simply doesn't get what you're saying, either from being deeply set in their ways, not reading what other people write, totally misinterpretting what they read, or simply missing the point. In other words, it is someone who is particularly bad at seeing another's point of view for what it is. |
Hence why I said "less" stubborn because they actually do try, even if they don't get it right away. |
None of that is being stubborn. All of that is misunderstanding, with different reasons for why there is a misunderstanding. Sysphus' Boulder is how Inert Mass acts when being stubborn.
If you're going to say that they're the same because (in your opinion) they're defined by being stubborn, you have to get rid of Tireless Rebutter, Ideologue, Atheist, Deacon, Issues, and so on. Most warriors are stubborn, or come off as being that way. Otherwise they'd be Flame Leavers Because They Really Do Have Something Better To Do. How they act and why they act that way, when being (or seen as) stubborn is what sets them apart.
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| irritus wrote: |
If you're going to say that they're the same because (in your opinion) they're defined by being stubborn, you have to get rid of Tireless Rebutter, Ideologue, Atheist, Deacon, Issues, and so on. Most warriors are stubborn, or come off as being that way. Otherwise they'd be Flame Leavers Because They Really Do Have Something Better To Do. How they act and why they act that way, when being (or seen as) stubborn is what sets them apart. |
That's a point, but you'd at least have to get rid of the boulder for being a hybrid, or at least it's being too similar to inert mass.
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| That's a point, but you'd at least have to get rid of the boulder for being a hybrid, or at least it's being too similar to inert mass. |
The boulder is not a warrior. There's nothing to get rid of.
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Sisyphus' Boulder, I was too lazy to look up the spelling of it.
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| Anarchy_Balsac wrote: |
| Sisyphus' Boulder, I was too lazy to look up the spelling of it. |
Bah, don't worry about it. I'm not going to nitpick. Anyhow, I threw that in because I noticed a lot of warriors may act like something else in given circumstances. Sisyphus' Boulder is just a name for how Inert Mass acts on issues it has a stubborn belief in rather than just a mild understanding. It's far too close to Inert Mass to call it even a subset, so I just refered to it as a state. Kind of like how Time Bomb would have a pre- and post-explosion state.
Theognome may have hit on something before. Inert Mass may be the way he is because he has mastered the forum's language as a second language. Similarly, it may be someone who was raised in a totally different culture from other forum members. Both Inert Mass and the forum may not realise this and take it for gratned they're used to dealing with similar people. An Inert Mass in one forum may be completely understandable to their own kind.
Maybe I should change the name from Inert Mass to Foreign Object.
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Nah, they might confuse it with patois. Besides I like the name "inert mass" way better.
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