The Anti-misandry forum response. Whoever this Issues/Centurion guy is there is one thing for certain, he has managed to drop a grenade so big that swarms of Issues and White Knights are gnashing their teeth in the feminist community.
Instead of ignoring the trollish behavior, they have actually validated his claims so it appears. He claims that America (or, Anglicized countries for that matter) has contributed to a type of woman that is "generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste."
This is like the classic troll tactic that posts an accusation incredibly hard to deny or confirm since it is so generalized (and, relies heavily upon stereotypes), that no matter how you respond you come out looking 'butt-hurt'.
There's another topic in a forum I went to that is full of anti-AmWo sock puppets debating against pro-AmWo sock puppets. Well, an actual issues came out in the middle of the battle and claimed to report one poster (I suspect a Jerk masquerading as a Woo) to the FBI. It took till page 6 before a poster started accusing another of being a troll *no way!*
Men, don't marry an American women EVER (thread revived)
Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Heh, disillusioned Guy finally gets fed up and makes blog.
"Normal guy" sort of sums it up nicely, and drives it along.
Places vary. I'm close to a touristy region, and sadly the culture those young ladies were brought up in didn't lend itself to a very "genuine" charming demeanor later in life. _________________ The important thing is knowing who owns the fence
Lol, I think I was more offended by the feminist sites than I was the misandry and anti-AmWo ones. The point I am trying to make here is that those targeted women should have used more objectivity when dealing with the BAWC, but instead they became riled and lampooned their argument while justifying his very own.
They decided to make an issue out of the men who chose to go the foreign bride route. The thing I find fascinating is the patronizing tone of the article in regards to women from different countries (Eastern Block, Asia, etc.). They are victimizing women who are willingly marrying other foreign men.
Because, I guess the circumstances of their life dictate that they are doomed to be preyed on for their marriage material by foreigners as if they know no better. It's not because they are curious about the United States, fell in love, barely able to support themselves (and, child), and/or would like to one day pursue opportunities here. Or, it's not because they would like to have a child and become naturalized citizens then take the dope for all he's got. Yeah, that doesn't happen.
This proves the irresponsibility, extremely arrogant, and selfish accusation. Is it more responsible that these women (many with college educations) turn to acting in pornography/prostitution in order to support themselves? This is particularly focused on the Eastern Block right after the Soviet Union fell. Btw, the Soviet Union was the first country to give women equal rights. I guess feminists are only allowed to tokenize women while trying to defend wounded pride.
It was extremely arrogant to suggest that foreign women marry American men to escape harsh conditions: Germany? Japan? S. Korea?
If you live in a military town I bet you see a lot of foreign women who are married to soldiers, who have been married for 20-30 years. And, yes, many of them work, as well. Perhaps, however, it is the poor conditions that some of the foreign women are raised in that allows them to better appreciate (and, allows them to fight harder for) a stable and healthy marriage? hmm.
When they were called out for being immature, they responded in a very immature manner. Pay no heed to the troll lest ye be the attention whore.
Self-centered, mentally unstable. Of course, feminists go on and on about men objectifying women for their looks, but what does the article do in order to prove this pro-AmWo point at all costs? It talks about the plethora of fit, beautiful, kind, and intelligent American women that are around. So, this person went up to each and every female amongst this plethora and had friendly, intellectual conversations with them? I suspect not! They were judged off of looks alone or the plethora wasn't all that big. Again, the men are blamed for the American women running away and becoming emotionally unavailable. This is the same behavior alcoholics display when cornered into admitting they have a drinking problem. It is the refusal to take responsibility then to continue to play the blame game.
highly unchaste - I'll pass this one as statistics show that American men are more likely to cheat than American women.
Fence Sitter: When their looks fade, they'll probably start blaming society for distorting women's body image perception. They'll blame and blame or binge on plastic surgery.
Joined: 01 Jan 2005
You've summed it up well.
Yeah I guess I might have been offended too, but I live and suffer in an area where BAWC would not find the nicest either - as I have previously observed funny things when older now single chicks are having a bitching session about available blokes dating the younger women about. Same sort of negativity.
They (the feminists) did go on about sour grapes, ie cognitive dissonance for a bit, but ultimately, they were actually exercising theirs.
BAWC made a heap of generalizations, based on his disappointment, until finding that women exist outside of the US.
More I found, it depends on how people in general are brought up and expectations of what is ideal, along with I suspect some genetic traits that are similar to that of some crows that collect shiny things in preference. Culture is obviously going to impact how they (men and women) relate to others.
As with fruit, if the core and heart are sour or off, does it matter if the skin is almost perfection?
Yes, I know a few blokes who have no taste buds what so ever. _________________ The important thing is knowing who owns the fence
It is cultural identity/inheritance, and most of their preferences are developed from personal experience. (generalization) Usually, men who have been raised by June Cleaver types end up disappointed in the dating world then have to date for years before finding the 'right one' if they don't drop their standards. In the case of using generalizations, you can find one that confirms it in every group. The BAWC exist for a reason, so until the feminists try to acknowledge the reasons why instead of trying to force people to think a certain way (which is impossible without brainwashing) it is always going to be justified.
They have polemic websites, so who are they to judge the BAWC? They have their reason, but so does the BAWC. It is all a matter of personal choice and perception.
The logic behind their responses to the argument is flawed from the get-go. Simply put, don't try to eat the bait.
Let me post a made-up situation using a similar premise:
On a Ohio State Messageboard:
Disenfranchised (possible troll) poster:
"Ohio has no jobs. The football teams suck, the crime is too high, there are bums everywhere, and the police and politicians are corrupt. Everyone here is on drugs! I am moving to Washington to find better opportunities."
Offended Ohio person:
"lol, another under-qualified loser who can't get a job is complaining about the state. I guess you just got fired from McDonalds? GTFO!"
The twisting of the argument guy:
"I guess you just want to contribute to the unemployment statistics in Washington. I am sure Washington doesn't need anymore negative and intolerant people such as you. If you can't get a job here, you certainly can't get a job anywhere else. Why not try to help the state of Ohio with your vote? Blah, blah, blah etc."
Troll Tactic Breakdown:
1. The disenfranchised guy didn't say how much job and education experience he possessed. Then, posters respond with put-downs showing how vicious Ohio citizens can be, and how poorly they perceive the unemployed.
2. He was vague and did not specify an area in Ohio in which he lived. Instead of requesting specifics to try to bridge the gap, he is accused of being 'intolerant'. I guess they assumed he was from a poorer area.
3. He mentioned a problem that was universal in the state. The first response confirmed that he was 'another' one who was expressing similar gripes.
4. He made additional mega-bait comments that go ignored, but one is contradicted. Why not stay and vote? Because, he thinks the politicians are corrupt.
Thus, commence flame war and troll wins.
Btw, his mega-bait comments may be utilized either by a sock puppet account or by a unknowing poster (Yeah, Bengals Suck!) that will either derail the thread or cause greater controversy.
Joined: 01 Jan 2005
That's good observation and dissection.
I've seen, as per your example, a disgruntled member after having a particularly bad day, visit the forum and vent openly and make a lot of bad generalizations.
The reasonable member would want more details as you say, and many would argue the validity of any generalizations. A reasonable observant person realizes they're having a bad day, week, month or just finally near breaking point.
On any large forum you're going to find members only too eager to beat up anyone they think they could and deserves it, and unfortunately "rash thoughts" are zeroed on as it's a great opportunity to sharpen their knives. It may even play into their ideals as well, which is a bonus for them as well.
A good Troller realizes that, and knows in such circumstance, in no time Nit Pick, Issues, Big Dog or any with an interest to persecute will do so.
The "fickle ways of some women" is surely a great Grenade. Some of that is old evolutionary genetic traits still lurking around overriding modern reality, but much of it comes from behavior which is either deemed acceptable or not by the women who are their role models.
Feminists would accuse bias, but ... _________________ The important thing is knowing who owns the fence
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