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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/earthquake-in-japan

Live Japan TV, in English
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http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/364/radiological_terrorism.html

The Consequence of Cesium-137 Release

A 400 t PWR pool holds about 10 times more long-lived radioactivity than a reactor core. A radioactive release from such a pool would cause catastrophic consequences. One major concern is the fission product cesium-137 (Cs-137), which made a major contribution (about three quarters) to the long-term radiological impact of the 1986 Chernobyl accident.

A spent fuel pool would contain tens of million curies of Cs-137. Cs-137 has a 30 year half-life; it is relatively volatile and a potent land contaminant.

In comparison, the April 1986 Chernobyl accident released about 2 Mega Curies (MCi) Cs-137 into the atmosphere from the core of the 1,000 MWe unit 4.

It is estimated that over 100,000 residents were permanently evacuated because of contamination by Cs-137.The total area of the radiation-control zone is about 10,000 km², in which the contamination level is greater than 15 Ci/km² of Cs-137. [6]

A typical 1 GWe PWR core contains about 80 t fuels. Each year about one third of the core fuel is discharged into the pool. A pool with 15 year storage capacity will hold about 400 t spent fuel.

To estimate the Cs-137 inventory in the pool, for example, we assume the Cs137 inventory at shutdown is about 0.1 MCi/tU with a burn-up of 50,000 MWt-day/tU, thus the pool with 400 t of ten year old SNF would hold about 33 MCi Cs-137. [7]

Assuming a 50-100% Cs137 release during a spent fuel fire, [8] the consequence of the Cs-137 exceed those of the Chernobyl accident 8-17 times (2MCi release from Chernobyl).

Based on the wedge model, the contaminated land areas can be estimated. [9] For example, for a scenario of a 50% Cs-137 release from a 400 t SNF pool, about 95,000 km² (as far as 1,350 km) would be contaminated above 15 Ci/km² (as compared to 10,000 km² contaminated area above 15 Ci/km² at Chernobyl).

Thus, it is necessary to take security measures to prevent such an event from happening.
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Due to the large amount of fuel at the Japanese site, it would be 40 to 60 times as bad. If it all burns.
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This is going to get bad.

I heard they've got some power hooked up at long last, but ... what's going to go wrong next.
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According to the traffic out of Japan by aircraft, a lot of people aren't waiting to find out.
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A site of doubtful repute claimed youtube had been restricted in Japan.

Anyone heard anything like that?
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Not until now. It may be to free up bandwidth for official use. The military blocked all high traffic sites right after the disaster for just such a reason.
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Thanks, I knew someone would have the answer, and even a very rational one at that.

Ok, so they weren't singling out youtub and any other sort of reason.

Yes, youtubs format is wasteful.

It (bandwidth wasters) also contributes to the amount of power needed in the national grid.
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Today is another day where the news is not terribly worse than yesterday. This now is considered a good news day.

And the new war in Libya is distracting from the horror of Japan. Never thought I would be glad to see a new war breaking out.
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Another conflict the world will be eventually sorry for being involved in the mess.

Only a matter of time before it's claimed the west is only interested due to oil interests.

US warships and a brit sub have fired a few cruise missiles 110 ... 112 of them, at the key air assets and communication nodes.

Only a matter of time before after Gaddafi is removed before the squabbling over oil profits begins by various groups in Libya.

Yeah, the mess in Japan continues, abnormal radiation now found in food there.
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http://www.japannuclear.com/nuclearpower/program/location.html

List of nuclear reactors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6900156.stm

Disturbing as hell events that should have sent up huge red flags, but didn't.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/earthquake-of-magnitude-6-1-shakes-japan-s-shizuoka-home-to-mount-fuji.html

Oh fuck.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5557692_radiation-levels-cesium.html

Cesium137, you will hear lots about it soon.

http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/radionuclides/cesium.html#contact

http://nuclearhistory.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/cesium-137-and-strontium-90-in-florida-milk-a-five-year-study-of-distribution-and-levels/

http://jas.fass.org/cgi/content/abstract/29/5/695

I did warn you.

Can you believe that shit? They used to spread cesium137 in the atmosphere, on PURPOSE!!

Our fathers and grandfathers were fucking idiots at times.

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm

and
http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/radionuclides/cesium.html#affecthealth
for good measure.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-18/radiation-s-effect-on-food-agriculture-questions-and-answers.html

The economic disaster is more than likely coming from the radioactive fall out.

All they need now is Mt Fuji to blow it's top, and we have the ultimate disaster movie.

Meanwhile, some good may come of all this

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/01/national/main6163433.shtml

People won't be able to sweep everything under the rug for a while
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Just now I watched an interview with an actual employee of the plant, who was there during the earthquake. His identity was hidden because he feared he would lose his job if the bosses knew. 17 years he worked the place, knows it inside and out. He, in that way the Japanese do, as much as said he doesn't believe what they are saying, doesn't believe they are telling the truth, and knows they are not revealing what has happened, and doubts what they are saying now.

Meanwhile, one of the issues that just drove me to ranting, the lack of information, especially video at the site, has become clearer. While it certainly seems that the Japanese have no way to view the site, since March 12 they have been getting high def video feeds, round the clock from the US, who has been using a Predator drone to film the site.

Both visible and infrared.

So they have had high resolution imaging since the 12th, day and night.

The kind or resolution where you can identify somebodies face in the video.

The US, for whatever fucked up reason, hasn't let anyone but the Japanese see it, and the Japanese have not only refused to share any of it, they have acted like they didn't have it all.

http://www.suasnews.com/2011/03/4703/japan-reluctant-to-disclose-footage-of-power-plant-taken-by-u-s-drone/

Which confirms what I thought all along, except the level of observation is much less than I imagined, no ultraviolet, no x-ray or gamma ray detection. But they have had high resolution video from the air all along.

So they are indeed the piece of shit liars I suspected. The infrared footage would be real valuable to nuclear experts and anyone trying to help solve the crisis. I don't know if any nuclear experts outside Japan have seen the footage, and can't say, but I can smell a liar a mile away, and these pussbags are the worst kind of liars ever.

And that includes the US officials who wouldn't give anyone the information as well.

This imaging explains why the US insisted there was a fire in the #4 pool, and why they knew it was empty of water. Anyone could tell that if they saw the footage.

But what do these complete assholes do? Leave everyone else in the dark, and let people live in the horrific fear of not knowing.

Of course this is far from all the deception going on. But it proves the point.

They ARE fucking liars, and they have no shame at all.
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I knew the nuclear emergency had pushed some states to review it's own reactors, but I didn't know any were already leaking.

Sadly the nuclear industry in japan and world wide have a vested interest to play any worries down. A lot of crap has been inflicted on the world in the name of profit and money.

As to tests to see what happens, yeah a lot of stupid unintelligent studies have been carried out and a number of them by stealth. Even as far as hospitals being involved administering "something" without parental consent to see what might happen down the track as a result.
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I'm almost starting to think the Mayans fucked up the calender. Or that people trying to read it did.

"No, it's 2011, not 2012 you idiots""
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Rofl I was thinking about the calendar the other day.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Just wait for Yellowstone to blow, that should do it.
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For the record, I don't believe or buy any of the 2012 end of the world crap.

The real crap we have going on is quite enough.
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I assumed you didn't.

I've never been inclined to look at the calendar, but there's probably some symbol there somewhere that infers "rest intentionally left blank" or ... assumed people were smart enough to realize it's just a calendar.
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Or many people sort of have this general unease about the world conditions, what with the constant stream of scare stories about global warming, economic disaster, wars in the mideast, swine flu, AIDS and the rest of the steady stream of absolute shit the media mistakes for news.

Combine that with end-of-the-world religious beliefs, and a lot of people want something to happen. Or look forward to it.
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Speaking of stupid tests.

I didn't actually know, but near this touristy area the dairy industry back in the 70s had to throw their milk due to high levels of Strontium 90.

http://nuclearhistory.wordpress.com/2010/05/18/australian-impacts-of-the-french-nuclear-tests/
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In the fifties and sixties the military used Cesium137 to experiment with radar and other shit, off the coast of Florida.

They would blow up these huge clouds of C137 to test things out. Florida is still contaminated by the fallout from that radioactive material.
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Heh, "want something to happen" - you know me so well. Very Happy

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Yes, I was reading that in one of those informative links you posted earlier.

Crazy stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_testing

I was mainly interested in the fallout map.
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Until the mid sixties, nobody really knew that fall out could hurt you. Or of they did, they pretended like they didn't.

It wasn't until Senators realized that Cesium and Strontium in their morning milk was giving them cancer, and their kids cancer, that they started to blow up the bombs underground.
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The weren't that bright.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Tooth_Survey

On another note about care free testing I saw this remark

http://www.finders.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=685

I wonder what the upper limit of a Geiger counter back in those days might have been.
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They start clicking so fast it just makes a continuous noise. Of course by that time you are running as fast as you can
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Remind me to buy one.

I wonder how much of the radioactive material is making into the snow.

I've heard fresh news that claims that it isn't that bad, the water is safe to drink and the levels were only 5 times higher the what's legal in Japan, but I heard another that claimed that much of it is lower than US legal limits?

It gets confusing, if only they'd use a quantitative method.
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If only they would go out and measure the ground and report what the levels are. All over. Instead of this nonsense crap about testing crops.

Go test the fucking fields you complete jackasses.
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Tonight's 60 minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/20/60minutes/main20045131.shtml

(video here - http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml )

Interview with Julia Nesheiwat. She's a State Department official who was already in Japan working on nuclear issues. She served in Washington as deputy chief of staff to the director of national intelligence.

Well, the radiation was supposed to hit the US yesterday (or was it Friday?)

I feel no worse than before.

The fearmongering was officially a farce.