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Tue May 31, 2011 4:36 pm
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Blowhard
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| ambosen wrote: |
Wow, you really are a dense one, aren't you?
Think about it kid. Why would I give you a week without a response unless I expected you to figure out the blindingly obvious sometime during that time period ? |
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Tue May 31, 2011 7:33 pm
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irritus' minion
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Ah, that explains it all - I had thought it odd that anyone as worldly and intelligent as you, would claim with "no exceptions," atheism as a religious stance. |
What else should I call a system of belief which asks me to give them my faith, my money, and my time, without first allowing me to put their beliefs to scientific testing?
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Tue May 31, 2011 8:49 pm
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Blowhard
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| Fence Sitter wrote: |
Ah, that explains it all - I had thought it odd that anyone as worldly and intelligent as you, would claim with "no exceptions," atheism as a religious stance. |
What else should I call a system of belief which asks me to give them my faith, my money, and my time, without first allowing me to put their beliefs to scientific testing? |
Ambosen...you are confusing theism, atheism and religion whilst treating them as if they were interchangeable to suit your porpoises...is this trolling 101?
Do you actually believe this? Or are you a well-crafted POE posing for the moment as Tea-partying Christian from the 1950s? |
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Tue May 31, 2011 8:52 pm
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irritus' minion
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| Ambosen...you are confusing theism, atheism and religion whilst treating them as if they were interchangeable to suit your porpoises...is this trolling 101? |
Where would the fun be in telling you, or for that matter, any of you?
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Tue May 31, 2011 8:59 pm
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Blowhard
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| ambosen wrote: |
| ~pirate mollie~ wrote: |
| Ambosen...you are confusing theism, atheism and religion whilst treating them as if they were interchangeable to suit your porpoises...is this trolling 101? |
Where would the fun be in telling you, or for that matter, any of you? |
You are right, you should keep secrets to yourself. 
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Tue May 31, 2011 10:53 pm
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The Cryptkeeper
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| Fence Sitter wrote: |
Ah, that explains it all - I had thought it odd that anyone as worldly and intelligent as you, would claim with "no exceptions," atheism as a religious stance. |
What else should I call a system of belief which asks me to give them my faith, my money, and my time, without first allowing me to put their beliefs to scientific testing? |
er, being dead serious for a minute ... don't let the insecure stereotype the rest. I thought the trolling was done at this point.
No true atheist ever approaches someone who is religious to give up their dogma. (I'll qualify this, by stating, without first being harassed first, in which case it's open slater.) In fact the many other atheists (or those who are close to that definition) I speak to, have a live and let live attitude and some like myself believe a proportion of people have to believe in something to exist, function, and act in a manner which is acceptable, so why bother them.
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Tue May 31, 2011 11:18 pm
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Tue May 31, 2011 11:57 pm
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irritus' minion
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I know you mean well Fence, but you just unintentionally used the No True Scotsman fallacy. There are a lot of people I'd like to claim as having nothing in common with the many perfectly decent atheists and deists both I know, but like it or not, they do continue to exist, and make decent folks look bad by mere association.
So long as people kneel to virtually anything but truth, that's going to be a problem.
And yes, it's one I occasionally exploit when bored.
Funny thing is, I gave flappo a partially tongue in cheek list of suggestions on what to do to troll atheists. As part of the gag I made absolutely certain that everything I said applied equally to deists. Lo and behold, someone shows up to take the bait, but not Flappo.
Maybe I carried the gag a bit to far by pointing out the many uncomfortable similarities in teachings between deists and atheists. But consider this:
I wouldn't know who's in which camp if they hadn't said anything.
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:18 am
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Um, ...no thanks, carry on.
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:31 am
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The Cryptkeeper
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I know you mean well Fence, but you just unintentionally used the No True Scotsman fallacy. There are a lot of people I'd like to claim as having nothing in common with the many perfectly decent atheists and deists both I know, but like it or not, they do continue to exist, and make decent folks look bad by mere association.
So long as people kneel to virtually anything but truth, that's going to be a problem.
And yes, it's one I occasionally exploit when bored.
Funny thing is, I gave flappo a partially tongue in cheek list of suggestions on what to do to troll atheists. As part of the gag I made absolutely certain that everything I said applied equally to deists. Lo and behold, someone shows up to take the bait, but not Flappo.
Maybe I carried the gag a bit to far by pointing out the many uncomfortable similarities in teachings between deists and atheists. But consider this:
I wouldn't know who's in which camp if they hadn't said anything. |
You've taken a wholly literal take on the word "true," instead of its obvious reference to those who are totally without belief, though not based on any dogma - those who would be the "exception." I was referring to a sub group and not trying to reclassify what an atheist is. Hence no logical fallacy. Perhaps a clearer rephrasing would be, those who are very comfortable with their view, aren't known for ear bashing other folk who don't share their view, (without first being troubled by something outrageous) and wouldn't be there at your doorstep trying to force you to do a thing.
I would be the first to point out the insecure atheist can be fun to toy with, probably more so than some fanatical over the top god fearing soul with a new take on the bible.
It seemed reasonable to me that your response was intended for flappo to use against forumers in an atheist forum. Thus I waited for a while to say anything further.
Who's who ... in some forums you never really "absolutely" know for sure.
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Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:53 am
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| Danget, the moment I decide to keep it on the down low for a while, a really interesting war breaks out! |
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Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:57 am
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| Fence Sitter wrote: |
| No true atheist ever approaches someone who is religious to give up their dogma. (I'll qualify this, by stating, without first being harassed first, in which case it's open slater.) |
I know you mean well Fence, but you just unintentionally used the No True Scotsman fallacy. There are a lot of people I'd like to claim as having nothing in common with the many perfectly decent atheists and deists both I know, but like it or not, they do continue to exist, and make decent folks look bad by mere association. |
I believe Fence is trying to mark a division between the people who philosophically arrive at atheism and the dipshits with arrested development who are basically angry teenagers lashing out at their parents or fictional oppressors (I refer to them as "revenge atheists"). The former tend not to be douchebags. The latter exist solely to be douchebags, and often refer to science the same way as Christian zealots refer to the Bible, except without actually knowing much science. I once had a revenge atheist claim that Laws were how things worked and Theories were why things worked.
In any case, I really wouldn't call fallacy on this. Revenge atheists rarely have approached the subject of why they don't believe in the existence of a divine power, only why they don't believe in their parents' God. I don't lump them in with what I consider atheists either.
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